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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8695430" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Probably not as long as we replace half-orcs with either half-orcs, goliaths, minotaurs, or some other physically powerful and imposing race (probably orcs) while at the same time keeping half elves in the game.</p><p></p><p>Halflings are the only race in the game that emphasises being mundane and <em>not</em> being a badass by the standards of the world. There is precisely no replacement for this in any other race I can think of in D&D.</p><p></p><p>When have I ever said that? I've after all suggested that gnomes should be made a subrace of halflings.</p><p></p><p>What I have said, will say, and will repeat is that <em>halflings should not be removed from the PHB because there is no race that covers their niches nearly as well as they do in the whole of D&D - and the more you load a race down with Kewl Powerz the worse they get at it.</em></p><p></p><p>Thank you for admitting that you are posting masses of comments saying that halflings should be removed based on your entirely and completely arbitrary threshold. And that you have nothing but an arbitrary standard set by you to want a race removed.</p><p></p><p>So we should have two in and none out because that proved popular.</p><p></p><p>Actions speak louder than words. You have made literally dozens of posts saying that halflings should be removed. Which means that for some reason you believe that this is worth posting. Why do you bother to post if you don't care?</p><p></p><p><em>Even this very comment shows this claim to be a falsehood.</em></p><p></p><p>You have openly said in this comment "Again, half-orcs are likely getting the boot." If it's actually two races getting the boot that you care about and half-orcs are one of them then using your own logic halflings should be safe unless you somehow are saying that halflings should be booted and the far less popular and more easily replaceable gnomes should be kept.</p><p></p><p>OK. So gnomes and half-orcs. Three would be too many. So why, in defiance of your own arguments, do you want to gratuitously boot halflings?</p><p></p><p>And here is the second problem (beyond the two most obviously on the chopping block being gnomes and half-orcs). <em>There is not one single race in D&D that covers the halfling "easy to overlook harmless everyman" schtick nearly as well as halflings.</em> Kobolds and goblins alike are seen as hostile rather than harmless.</p><p></p><p>Find me a <em>less</em> exotic and more easily dismissed option than halflings. Humans don't qualify because humans are known as badasses in D&D and a plurality of countries in most D&D settings are human dominated. As for the Hengiyokai, please. You are trying to replace a race known for being mundane with a race of natural shapeshifters. Not. Even. Close. For that matter fey is a problem for a halfling replacement - it's too exotic to cover the niche halflings have complete dominance of.</p><p></p><p>What works is halflings. You claim to be not picky and "whatever works" while failing to offer a replacement for halflings. You also claim that two races should be removed - and there are gnomes, which are far less popular than halflings and halflings could cover most of already - and half-orcs which we both think are leaving. So if three is too many and half-orcs are probably leaving do you agree that by your own logic halflings should stay?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8695430, member: 87792"] Probably not as long as we replace half-orcs with either half-orcs, goliaths, minotaurs, or some other physically powerful and imposing race (probably orcs) while at the same time keeping half elves in the game. Halflings are the only race in the game that emphasises being mundane and [I]not[/I] being a badass by the standards of the world. There is precisely no replacement for this in any other race I can think of in D&D. When have I ever said that? I've after all suggested that gnomes should be made a subrace of halflings. What I have said, will say, and will repeat is that [I]halflings should not be removed from the PHB because there is no race that covers their niches nearly as well as they do in the whole of D&D - and the more you load a race down with Kewl Powerz the worse they get at it.[/I] Thank you for admitting that you are posting masses of comments saying that halflings should be removed based on your entirely and completely arbitrary threshold. And that you have nothing but an arbitrary standard set by you to want a race removed. So we should have two in and none out because that proved popular. Actions speak louder than words. You have made literally dozens of posts saying that halflings should be removed. Which means that for some reason you believe that this is worth posting. Why do you bother to post if you don't care? [I]Even this very comment shows this claim to be a falsehood.[/I] You have openly said in this comment "Again, half-orcs are likely getting the boot." If it's actually two races getting the boot that you care about and half-orcs are one of them then using your own logic halflings should be safe unless you somehow are saying that halflings should be booted and the far less popular and more easily replaceable gnomes should be kept. OK. So gnomes and half-orcs. Three would be too many. So why, in defiance of your own arguments, do you want to gratuitously boot halflings? And here is the second problem (beyond the two most obviously on the chopping block being gnomes and half-orcs). [I]There is not one single race in D&D that covers the halfling "easy to overlook harmless everyman" schtick nearly as well as halflings.[/I] Kobolds and goblins alike are seen as hostile rather than harmless. Find me a [I]less[/I] exotic and more easily dismissed option than halflings. Humans don't qualify because humans are known as badasses in D&D and a plurality of countries in most D&D settings are human dominated. As for the Hengiyokai, please. You are trying to replace a race known for being mundane with a race of natural shapeshifters. Not. Even. Close. For that matter fey is a problem for a halfling replacement - it's too exotic to cover the niche halflings have complete dominance of. What works is halflings. You claim to be not picky and "whatever works" while failing to offer a replacement for halflings. You also claim that two races should be removed - and there are gnomes, which are far less popular than halflings and halflings could cover most of already - and half-orcs which we both think are leaving. So if three is too many and half-orcs are probably leaving do you agree that by your own logic halflings should stay? [/QUOTE]
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