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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8704778" data-attributes="member: 6801228">... That is literally what &quot;whataboutism&quot; is. And yes, I think there are significant flaws in multiple races that should be addressed. That also includes discussing halflings. Responding to that with &quot;but other things are worse&quot; doesn't change the fact that I want to change halflings as well, and in fact just distracts from the discussion.Many people's uses of halflings have been... I'm not sure the most charitable way to put it, but to me most of them are just ignoring the problem. I don't remember your specific examples, but many of them have done some variation of &quot;I don't change anything and just put them in my game&quot; which, you know... doesn't fix any of the issues we bring up. It is basically just telling us to ignore the problems we are having and then we won't have problems, which is far from helpful. A lot of others seem to go forward with assumptions which I just find to be blatantly untrue or unhelpful. Such as them somehow being the underdog race. Or that somehow they are the unexpected hero race, because there is nothing special about them. Or that they are the race that cares about their friends. None of which feels like a good design space, which is why I push back on it. I'm not just looking for people to just tell me what to do and me bobblehead along, I'm trying to discuss a good design going forward, which means ideas need to be challenged.And since I never claimed it was a universal problem, I don't know what you think this proves?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8704778, member: 6801228"] ... That is literally what "whataboutism" is. And yes, I think there are significant flaws in multiple races that should be addressed. That also includes discussing halflings. Responding to that with "but other things are worse" doesn't change the fact that I want to change halflings as well, and in fact just distracts from the discussion. Many people's uses of halflings have been... I'm not sure the most charitable way to put it, but to me most of them are just ignoring the problem. I don't remember your specific examples, but many of them have done some variation of "I don't change anything and just put them in my game" which, you know... doesn't fix any of the issues we bring up. It is basically just telling us to ignore the problems we are having and then we won't have problems, which is far from helpful. A lot of others seem to go forward with assumptions which I just find to be blatantly untrue or unhelpful. Such as them somehow being the underdog race. Or that somehow they are the unexpected hero race, because there is nothing special about them. Or that they are the race that cares about their friends. None of which feels like a good design space, which is why I push back on it. I'm not just looking for people to just tell me what to do and me bobblehead along, I'm trying to discuss a good design going forward, which means ideas need to be challenged. And since I never claimed it was a universal problem, I don't know what you think this proves? [/QUOTE]

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