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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8712055" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, again, that's not what I meant and is adding a value judgement that is 100% your own.&nbsp; When I said bottom of the barrel, I mean exactly that.&nbsp; Gnomes and halflings are the least played races in core D&amp;D.&nbsp; Thus, they are at the bottom of the barrel.&nbsp; How these characters are played, who is more creative, who is more interesting, is not my concern.&nbsp; I don't really care how someone else plays something.&nbsp; That's none of my business.&nbsp; I'm not judging anyone's yum.What I am judging though, is the fact that despite being the least played races in the history of the game, we absolutely MUST include gnomes and halflings in the PHB (note, I do NOT MEAN they should be removed from the game) because to do otherwise is unthinkable.&nbsp; And, we MUST include SEPARATE gnomes and halflings because we're not allowed to change any of the lore or background in an attempt to make either or both races more attractive to players because to do otherwise is unthinkable.But, please, do not attribute judging how other people play their characters to me.&nbsp; I never even hinted at that.&nbsp; Never even remotely suggested that.&nbsp; I'm simply looking at the historical facts - gnomes and halflings have never been popular races to play.&nbsp; They have always been the least popular races in the PHB.&nbsp; When we added new races to the PHB, not only were the new races popular, they were more popular than quite a number of existing PHB races.&nbsp; IMO, there is a very strong argument to be made in a revised race palette in the PHB.&nbsp; But, as we've seen in this thread, that's going to go the same way as trying to add psionics or warlords to the game.&nbsp; There is just not enough agreement here to make any compromise.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8712055, member: 22779"] But, again, that's not what I meant and is adding a value judgement that is 100% your own. When I said bottom of the barrel, I mean exactly that. Gnomes and halflings are the least played races in core D&D. Thus, they are at the bottom of the barrel. [I]How[/I] these characters are played, who is more creative, who is more interesting, is not my concern. I don't really care how someone else plays something. That's none of my business. I'm not judging anyone's yum. What I am judging though, is the fact that despite being the least played races in the history of the game, we absolutely MUST include gnomes and halflings in the PHB (note, I do NOT MEAN they should be removed from the game) because to do otherwise is unthinkable. And, we MUST include SEPARATE gnomes and halflings because we're not allowed to change any of the lore or background in an attempt to make either or both races more attractive to players because to do otherwise is unthinkable. But, please, do not attribute judging how other people play their characters to me. I never even hinted at that. Never even remotely suggested that. I'm simply looking at the historical facts - gnomes and halflings have never been popular races to play. They have always been the least popular races in the PHB. When we added new races to the PHB, not only were the new races popular, they were more popular than quite a number of existing PHB races. IMO, there is a very strong argument to be made in a revised race palette in the PHB. But, as we've seen in this thread, that's going to go the same way as trying to add psionics or warlords to the game. There is just not enough agreement here to make any compromise. [/QUOTE]

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