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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8813244" data-attributes="member: 29398">Tolkein was insightful enough to coalesce his various sources into something big enough to become almost its own mythos, which is no small accomplishment.You're missing my point, I think.Tolkein cannot possibly have been influenced by D&amp;D, if for no other reason than he died before the game was invented.&nbsp; The influence only goes one way.WoW, however, exists side-along with D&amp;D; and if each is allowed to influence the other to any great extent it just becomes a self-referential loop.&nbsp; WoW drew heavily from D&amp;D, thus D&amp;D IMO should be very careful in drawing from WoW.Anything written since 1974 could be (not necessarily is, but could be) derivative of and-or influenced by D&amp;D*, and therefore D&amp;D using these works as influences risks becoming self-referential, even if unintentionally.* - never mind there's some books out there which are openly fore-worded as being novelizations of the author's D&amp;D campaign(s)!Tolkein was a high-water mark.&nbsp; There's been others, obviously, some of which are very recent indeed; but in most cases we can't know how much influence those recent ones took from D&amp;D and thus how much influence they can reasonably be expected to provide in return.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8813244, member: 29398"] Tolkein was insightful enough to coalesce his various sources into something big enough to become almost its own mythos, which is no small accomplishment. You're missing my point, I think. Tolkein cannot possibly have been influenced by D&D, if for no other reason than he died before the game was invented. The influence only goes one way. WoW, however, exists side-along with D&D; and if each is allowed to influence the other to any great extent it just becomes a self-referential loop. WoW drew heavily from D&D, thus D&D IMO should be [I]very[/I] careful in drawing from WoW. Anything written since 1974 could be (not necessarily [I]is[/I], but [I]could be[/I]) derivative of and-or influenced by D&D*, and therefore D&D using these works as influences risks becoming self-referential, even if unintentionally. * - never mind there's some books out there which are openly fore-worded as being novelizations of the author's D&D campaign(s)! Tolkein was [B]a[/B] high-water mark. There's been others, obviously, some of which are very recent indeed; but in most cases we can't know how much influence those recent ones took from D&D and thus how much influence they can reasonably be expected to provide in return. [/QUOTE]

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