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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8821804" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Okay, what does DnD humans match the PHB description have ANYTHING to do with this? Because you seem to have forgotten that this was the post I responded to that you took umbrage with.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> A post which states, and I will quote again without the quote box in case you have CreamCloud0 blocked, which may have caused this entire thing, since you responded to me quoting them.</p><p></p><p>"...<strong><u>humans in DnD are fantastical in their own way, while not explicitly magical humans are noted as being highly ambitious and adventurous, putting their hand to all things, humans contain a certain drive that pushes them to great feats</u></strong><u>,</u>.... <strong><u>Halflings fill the niche <em>realworld</em> humans would have in a fantasy world</u></strong> ..." </p><p></p><p>In other words, the initial point was not "DnD humans do not match the PHB description." The initial point is that the PHB description and therefore DnD humans match with real world humans. And since DnD/PHB humans are real world humans, because Real World humans are "<em>noted as being highly ambitious and adventurous, putting their hand to all things, humans contain a certain drive that pushes them to great feats</em>"</p><p></p><p>And, despite that being true, they are also people who wish to live lives of good food and comfort. We don't need halflings to fill the role of Real World Humans, because DnD humans fill the role of Real World Humans.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, no, I do not need to have a personal interpretation that DnD humans don't match the PHB. That is nonsense and nothing at all like what I was saying. It would be a misrepresentation of my entire argument. This is also not a hypocrisy. I am, as you wanted to put it, discussing the game material, just with the added understanding that every single thing in the PHB describes humanity as it exists on Earth, and we do not need to split off a section of human nature to have it in the halflings. Humans in the PHB can cover being ambitious AND loving their homes and their comforts and their families. You know, like real humans on the planet Earth. And I have additional evidence of every single human NPC ever written for Dungeons and Dragons.</p><p></p><p>Now, you may argue, if you wish, that the PHB does not describe humanity as we know it on Earth, that it somehow describes something beyond the human expeirence. You can argue that halflings are actually closer to what humans of Earth are and fulfill their role in the PHB. I'd be interested what role you think Humans in the PHB fill if it isn't the role of humans, but I'd kindly ask you to stop and actually pay attention to what I am arguing instead of declaring me a hypocrite because you have stuffed nonsense into my mouth and declared it my argument.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8821804, member: 6801228"] Okay, what does DnD humans match the PHB description have ANYTHING to do with this? Because you seem to have forgotten that this was the post I responded to that you took umbrage with. A post which states, and I will quote again without the quote box in case you have CreamCloud0 blocked, which may have caused this entire thing, since you responded to me quoting them. "...[B][U]humans in DnD are fantastical in their own way, while not explicitly magical humans are noted as being highly ambitious and adventurous, putting their hand to all things, humans contain a certain drive that pushes them to great feats[/U][/B][U],[/U].... [B][U]Halflings fill the niche [I]realworld[/I] humans would have in a fantasy world[/U][/B] ..." In other words, the initial point was not "DnD humans do not match the PHB description." The initial point is that the PHB description and therefore DnD humans match with real world humans. And since DnD/PHB humans are real world humans, because Real World humans are "[I]noted as being highly ambitious and adventurous, putting their hand to all things, humans contain a certain drive that pushes them to great feats[/I]" And, despite that being true, they are also people who wish to live lives of good food and comfort. We don't need halflings to fill the role of Real World Humans, because DnD humans fill the role of Real World Humans. So, no, I do not need to have a personal interpretation that DnD humans don't match the PHB. That is nonsense and nothing at all like what I was saying. It would be a misrepresentation of my entire argument. This is also not a hypocrisy. I am, as you wanted to put it, discussing the game material, just with the added understanding that every single thing in the PHB describes humanity as it exists on Earth, and we do not need to split off a section of human nature to have it in the halflings. Humans in the PHB can cover being ambitious AND loving their homes and their comforts and their families. You know, like real humans on the planet Earth. And I have additional evidence of every single human NPC ever written for Dungeons and Dragons. Now, you may argue, if you wish, that the PHB does not describe humanity as we know it on Earth, that it somehow describes something beyond the human expeirence. You can argue that halflings are actually closer to what humans of Earth are and fulfill their role in the PHB. I'd be interested what role you think Humans in the PHB fill if it isn't the role of humans, but I'd kindly ask you to stop and actually pay attention to what I am arguing instead of declaring me a hypocrite because you have stuffed nonsense into my mouth and declared it my argument. [/QUOTE]
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