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<blockquote data-quote="Panda-s1" data-source="post: 7821739" data-attributes="member: 59554"><p>they come from loving families? what answer is "pretty obvious"? also last I checked Bran the (human) fighter might have a Cha of 9 and an odor that'd make an orc blush, but his player might still expect to find someone to spend the night with at the local tavern. </p><p></p><p>tell me, in a fantasy setting how do humans come into existence? what's the obvious answer?</p><p> </p><p></p><p>you know that for a fact? I'm pretty sure what actually happened is some people actually took offense to them and tried to make them not the norm over time.</p><p></p><p></p><p>or maybe people are starting to question what is and isn't "obvious" and what actually makes sense in a fantasy setting. people don't shy away from all orcs being evil because they're "offended', it's because they know that idea is based in some weird ideology that turns out is not actually true.</p><p></p><p></p><p>so you don't have half-orcs in your games? I thought they have an "obvious" origin based on some disgusting element of real life.</p><p></p><p></p><p>not everyone is going to give honest or full feedback. or maybe they have and they felt that you were dismissive about it. you may not have thought that way, but they might have. or they don't want to bring it up lest they be seen as not "fun" and unable to handle certain themes and subjects other people are okay with. also, it might not be you necessarily; their experience bringing up objections with other people may inform them on how you might react to that sort of discussion.</p><p></p><p>hell I've been in that situation before myself, something happened to my character that I was pretty uncomfortable with. the DM was (and still is) a good friend of mine, but when I finally brought it up sometime later I was met with skepticism, and was making him responsible for making me feel uncomfortable. like okay, clearly other people may be okay with what happened, but I'm myself, and at the end of the day he decides what happens in the game he runs; I can change how my character handles a situation, but as a player I can't say "this situation doesn't happen".</p><p></p><p></p><p>what is a "leisure time" for you might not be great for others? I for one hate insects. I can't stand them. if I had to fight them in something like D&D I might be okay, but if the GM decided to make the experience visceral or tried to use visual aids it might make me very uncomfortable. </p><p></p><p>on the other hand I'm okay with spiders. like sometimes they're creepy, but generally speaking I think they're fine, and I personally find it ridiculous that a lot of people have this inherent fear of spiders. that being said, if someone in my party was genuinely afraid of spiders and having them in the game was an issue I'd probably find a way around that. and really, if I can't find a way to remove spiders from my campaign am I really a good GM?</p><p></p><p></p><p>???? what?</p><p></p><p>but something something my very important campaign story that is somehow immutable. also I have An Opinion™ about something and I made it part of the story but it might offend people but it needs to be said (spoiler: the opinion is "actually orcs are evil and here is why")</p><p></p><p></p><p>....ooookay, last I checked people get uncomfortable if you talk about sexual things a lot during normal social interaction. I should know, irl I've been told to tone it down many times before. also pretty sure the same applies for bodily functions, and apparently discussing the nature of consent in an RPG setting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Panda-s1, post: 7821739, member: 59554"] they come from loving families? what answer is "pretty obvious"? also last I checked Bran the (human) fighter might have a Cha of 9 and an odor that'd make an orc blush, but his player might still expect to find someone to spend the night with at the local tavern. tell me, in a fantasy setting how do humans come into existence? what's the obvious answer? you know that for a fact? I'm pretty sure what actually happened is some people actually took offense to them and tried to make them not the norm over time. or maybe people are starting to question what is and isn't "obvious" and what actually makes sense in a fantasy setting. people don't shy away from all orcs being evil because they're "offended', it's because they know that idea is based in some weird ideology that turns out is not actually true. so you don't have half-orcs in your games? I thought they have an "obvious" origin based on some disgusting element of real life. not everyone is going to give honest or full feedback. or maybe they have and they felt that you were dismissive about it. you may not have thought that way, but they might have. or they don't want to bring it up lest they be seen as not "fun" and unable to handle certain themes and subjects other people are okay with. also, it might not be you necessarily; their experience bringing up objections with other people may inform them on how you might react to that sort of discussion. hell I've been in that situation before myself, something happened to my character that I was pretty uncomfortable with. the DM was (and still is) a good friend of mine, but when I finally brought it up sometime later I was met with skepticism, and was making him responsible for making me feel uncomfortable. like okay, clearly other people may be okay with what happened, but I'm myself, and at the end of the day he decides what happens in the game he runs; I can change how my character handles a situation, but as a player I can't say "this situation doesn't happen". what is a "leisure time" for you might not be great for others? I for one hate insects. I can't stand them. if I had to fight them in something like D&D I might be okay, but if the GM decided to make the experience visceral or tried to use visual aids it might make me very uncomfortable. on the other hand I'm okay with spiders. like sometimes they're creepy, but generally speaking I think they're fine, and I personally find it ridiculous that a lot of people have this inherent fear of spiders. that being said, if someone in my party was genuinely afraid of spiders and having them in the game was an issue I'd probably find a way around that. and really, if I can't find a way to remove spiders from my campaign am I really a good GM? ???? what? but something something my very important campaign story that is somehow immutable. also I have An Opinion™ about something and I made it part of the story but it might offend people but it needs to be said (spoiler: the opinion is "actually orcs are evil and here is why") ....ooookay, last I checked people get uncomfortable if you talk about sexual things a lot during normal social interaction. I should know, irl I've been told to tone it down many times before. also pretty sure the same applies for bodily functions, and apparently discussing the nature of consent in an RPG setting. [/QUOTE]
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