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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Deleted member 7015506" data-source="post: 7822063">[USER=59554]@Panda-s1[/USER] I agree with you, that neither of the officially published books is something like a in stone chiseled text that has to be followed by the point at all costs. IIRC Gygax once said that the game can be changed in any way you like (more or less quoted from memory). But I hope I made that clear that individual presentations/interpretattions are okay. What I don´t really like is the remark, that is some kind of neglected/forgotten fact and defining a certain presentation of an imagined species as being rasicm. Now it may be true, that not every encounter with "monsters" even back in OD&D had to end in combat (reaction rolls modifiers existed back then already IIRC). But what are we talking about here? The result of somebody's imagination and for me that is rooted in Tolkien. Like said other older and this picture contradicting definitions/descriptions might exist, so it´s fine if you play along that. Even if these don´t exist, then it´s still okay to change the overall evil to a more diversified approach. All fine, your table, your game. I understand, that it is complicated to label such things properly, but putting the racism hammer on something (a species of humanoids in a fantasy game!) and letting it look like some unfair real life treatment to some real existing beings is for me way over the top. And does it tell anything about a persons actual views and attitudes, if orcs are presented that old fashioned way? Not in my small world of understanding, sorry. So any discussion on that matter is simply nonsense for me.</blockquote>

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