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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8565010" data-attributes="member: 84112"><p>okay, but if they find the clues and can't figure out your puzzel can having a high Int and Keen Mind feat help?</p><p></p><p>if they are purposefully doing so cool... but what if the player is TRYING to be sauve and persuasive, but it is coming off as abrasive and crude?</p><p></p><p>were I agree with that generality, there are A LOT of specific examples I would argue isn't good to trust. </p><p></p><p></p><p>and NONE of this is an attack (my poor cha score may make it seem like an attack) I just wonder how you handle it</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>now my go to example will always be Dave and Ross... it was early (but I don't think 1st campaign) in 3e. Ross irl is shy stutters and would not be considered a diplomat or a leader of men (he's cool, and those just are NOT his traits) and while he is far from dumb, he also didn't finish college. Dave is an electric engineer with 2 degrees and a bunch of certificates, and he was at the time his boss's go to for interoffice communication because he is so damn likeable. </p><p></p><p>we rolled stats, and made characters. Dave asked if he could lower 1 stat by 2 to raise another by 1. He then lowered his INT down to 9 and his cha to 8 to raise Str and Con. Then he tried out this new multi class rule and made a half orc barbarian/fighter</p><p>Ross made a sorcerer to try out a new class. So he put his 17 in Cha and tried these new skills (Diplomacy, Bluff ect) </p><p></p><p>for a few games when Ross tried to be the party 'face' Dave just talked over him. Finally I remembered those new skills and started asking for rolls. </p><p>All of a sudden the half orc barbarian with -1 check was no longer able to talk around things, or figure out traps and puzzels. BUT something AMAZING happened. Ross would step up and say "Can my sorcerer know how to smooth this over?" or "Can I look at what he is working on and get it to work" and as such the player skill no longer mattered as much and the characters did...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8565010, member: 84112"] okay, but if they find the clues and can't figure out your puzzel can having a high Int and Keen Mind feat help? if they are purposefully doing so cool... but what if the player is TRYING to be sauve and persuasive, but it is coming off as abrasive and crude? were I agree with that generality, there are A LOT of specific examples I would argue isn't good to trust. and NONE of this is an attack (my poor cha score may make it seem like an attack) I just wonder how you handle it now my go to example will always be Dave and Ross... it was early (but I don't think 1st campaign) in 3e. Ross irl is shy stutters and would not be considered a diplomat or a leader of men (he's cool, and those just are NOT his traits) and while he is far from dumb, he also didn't finish college. Dave is an electric engineer with 2 degrees and a bunch of certificates, and he was at the time his boss's go to for interoffice communication because he is so damn likeable. we rolled stats, and made characters. Dave asked if he could lower 1 stat by 2 to raise another by 1. He then lowered his INT down to 9 and his cha to 8 to raise Str and Con. Then he tried out this new multi class rule and made a half orc barbarian/fighter Ross made a sorcerer to try out a new class. So he put his 17 in Cha and tried these new skills (Diplomacy, Bluff ect) for a few games when Ross tried to be the party 'face' Dave just talked over him. Finally I remembered those new skills and started asking for rolls. All of a sudden the half orc barbarian with -1 check was no longer able to talk around things, or figure out traps and puzzels. BUT something AMAZING happened. Ross would step up and say "Can my sorcerer know how to smooth this over?" or "Can I look at what he is working on and get it to work" and as such the player skill no longer mattered as much and the characters did... [/QUOTE]
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