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<blockquote data-quote="niklinna" data-source="post: 8627599" data-attributes="member: 71235"><p>In light of the...<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/supposing-d-d-is-gamist-what-does-that-mean.687974/" target="_blank">somewhat heated discussion</a> about whether D&D is gamist and if so how, I've been <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNS_theory#Criticism" target="_blank">digging a little</a> into the <a href="http://whitehall-paraindustries.com/Theory/Threefold/rpg_theory_bad_rep.htm" target="_blank">history of RPG theory</a> leading to the rise & fall of the GNS (Gamism/Narrativism/Simulationism) model, since I missed out on that drama when it happened. My exposure to GNS theory had been limited to Edwards's original articles on the topic, which I didn't find that problematic taken on their own (although they were very compact and assumed some experience with particular games). However, reading about the context of the theory's creation, and more importantly, how it was promulgated and "elaborated", gave me much insight into its reputations and the different ways different people react to it today.</p><p></p><p>And yet people continue to use the three principal terms of GNS theory, tacitly accepting the premise of a three-way split, but often without having read those original articles, or with different definitions and applications, in spite of the precedent Edwards established—or perhaps "appropriated" would be a better term, since he himself took the earlier Threefold Model's terms and redefined them (and redefined them further as his stance became more and more contentious). GNS may have died, according to some, but its <a href="http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/" target="_blank">embalmed corpse</a> lingers on the Web and its ghost in the minds of those who've read about it. All that's to say that basic GNS terminology is now very loaded, and use of those terms more likely than not results in Huge Misunderstandings and arguments, largely split between those who are not versed in GNS theory and those who are (to whatever degree). For better or worse, undead though it be, GNS theory is basically what we have to work with.</p><p></p><p>Or is it? That history I linked above made reference to a <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201107224647/http://seankreynolds.com/rpgfiles/gaming/BreakdownOfRPGPlayers.html" target="_blank">survey WotC themselves did</a> about types of gaming. It took some further digging to find a working (archive!) link, and it seems that survey has very nearly vanished from gamer memory. But it was a thing, and I have to wonder what influence those survey results had on the development of D&D and possibly the industry at large. Did WotC also forget about it? Did they actually use it for particular editions of D&D? Or did they just put this together and then bin it all? More relevant to those discussing theory, does it give you any new insights into designing, running, or playing D&D, or any other RPG, today? What do you think of it? (I have a few thoughts already but will save them for later, it's really late.)</p><p></p><p>There are other models/theories out there, of course, and feel free to discuss them here too if you like. But I'm mildly fascinated at this near-lost bit of RPG history.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="niklinna, post: 8627599, member: 71235"] In light of the...[URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/supposing-d-d-is-gamist-what-does-that-mean.687974/']somewhat heated discussion[/URL] about whether D&D is gamist and if so how, I've been [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNS_theory#Criticism']digging a little[/URL] into the [URL='http://whitehall-paraindustries.com/Theory/Threefold/rpg_theory_bad_rep.htm']history of RPG theory[/URL] leading to the rise & fall of the GNS (Gamism/Narrativism/Simulationism) model, since I missed out on that drama when it happened. My exposure to GNS theory had been limited to Edwards's original articles on the topic, which I didn't find that problematic taken on their own (although they were very compact and assumed some experience with particular games). However, reading about the context of the theory's creation, and more importantly, how it was promulgated and "elaborated", gave me much insight into its reputations and the different ways different people react to it today. And yet people continue to use the three principal terms of GNS theory, tacitly accepting the premise of a three-way split, but often without having read those original articles, or with different definitions and applications, in spite of the precedent Edwards established—or perhaps "appropriated" would be a better term, since he himself took the earlier Threefold Model's terms and redefined them (and redefined them further as his stance became more and more contentious). GNS may have died, according to some, but its [URL='http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/']embalmed corpse[/URL] lingers on the Web and its ghost in the minds of those who've read about it. All that's to say that basic GNS terminology is now very loaded, and use of those terms more likely than not results in Huge Misunderstandings and arguments, largely split between those who are not versed in GNS theory and those who are (to whatever degree). For better or worse, undead though it be, GNS theory is basically what we have to work with. Or is it? That history I linked above made reference to a [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20201107224647/http://seankreynolds.com/rpgfiles/gaming/BreakdownOfRPGPlayers.html']survey WotC themselves did[/URL] about types of gaming. It took some further digging to find a working (archive!) link, and it seems that survey has very nearly vanished from gamer memory. But it was a thing, and I have to wonder what influence those survey results had on the development of D&D and possibly the industry at large. Did WotC also forget about it? Did they actually use it for particular editions of D&D? Or did they just put this together and then bin it all? More relevant to those discussing theory, does it give you any new insights into designing, running, or playing D&D, or any other RPG, today? What do you think of it? (I have a few thoughts already but will save them for later, it's really late.) There are other models/theories out there, of course, and feel free to discuss them here too if you like. But I'm mildly fascinated at this near-lost bit of RPG history. [/QUOTE]
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