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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8628920" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>Woah. This thread took a <em>swerve </em>I was not expecting.</p><p></p><p>That said, if we are thinking about people being old, and how we don't like "dead-hand control" (or, in this case ... about people not paying attention to the actual ages of the people playing games), I think it's helpful to remember something and tie it into the original post:</p><p></p><p>That survey was from 1999.</p><p>GNS (or, at a minimum, dividing game typologies into three different kinds) is from 1997.</p><p>Ron Edwards started his discussions in 1999, and the place that this was discussed (the Forge) died out in 2005.</p><p></p><p>For those keeping track, 2005 was <strong><em>seventeen years ago</em></strong>. I run games with high school kids that weren't even born when that place died.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Weirdly, there has been a LOT of great theory since 2005 that has concentrated on issues of gender, sexuality, race, and intersectionality in TTRPGs! Some, for example, discuss how <a href="http://widerscreen.fi/numerot/2019-1-2/on-the-importance-of-queer-romances-role-play-as-exploration-and-performance-of-sexuality/" target="_blank">the crunch/fluff divide plays into queer representation</a>.</p><p></p><p>There is a lot of interesting work out there- and, increasingly, people are taking the subjects seriously in academic settings, as opposed to simply arguing over it in hobbyist forums (which regurgitate the same subjects, endlessly on loop). If you are interested, I recommend digging into it!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8628920, member: 7023840"] Woah. This thread took a [I]swerve [/I]I was not expecting. That said, if we are thinking about people being old, and how we don't like "dead-hand control" (or, in this case ... about people not paying attention to the actual ages of the people playing games), I think it's helpful to remember something and tie it into the original post: That survey was from 1999. GNS (or, at a minimum, dividing game typologies into three different kinds) is from 1997. Ron Edwards started his discussions in 1999, and the place that this was discussed (the Forge) died out in 2005. For those keeping track, 2005 was [B][I]seventeen years ago[/I][/B]. I run games with high school kids that weren't even born when that place died. Weirdly, there has been a LOT of great theory since 2005 that has concentrated on issues of gender, sexuality, race, and intersectionality in TTRPGs! Some, for example, discuss how [URL='http://widerscreen.fi/numerot/2019-1-2/on-the-importance-of-queer-romances-role-play-as-exploration-and-performance-of-sexuality/']the crunch/fluff divide plays into queer representation[/URL]. There is a lot of interesting work out there- and, increasingly, people are taking the subjects seriously in academic settings, as opposed to simply arguing over it in hobbyist forums (which regurgitate the same subjects, endlessly on loop). If you are interested, I recommend digging into it! [/QUOTE]
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