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<blockquote data-quote="aia_2" data-source="post: 8683450" data-attributes="member: 6800399">That is interesting, if you have some links or hints, pls let me know for i'd be really interested in reading about such a topic!Correct, but that is not the point i want to discuss: i am not complaining about rules... i am complaning about the fact that whenever you have a 7th level party, your adventure is always &quot;railroaded&quot; in terms of encounter: never a monster where the wisest thing the party can do is ti flee, never a useless group of 1st level npcs (who by the way have not a tag on their shoulders &quot;1st level, hit here to go faster&quot;)... far lightyears an encounter with a mixed group of npcs (say 3 of 1st level and 2 of 11th level)... My point is also try to train the players to &quot;read the situation&quot; and take decisions that ordinary rules would consider negative in terms of experience (like withdrawing) whereas they should be calculated in the exact opposite sense: a combat would turn in a likely death and a withdraw would imply the pcs survives.Why do you tie fun with success? Even an episode where a PC dies could be perceived with fun. The assumption here is similar to the one i do not understand about the balance in encounters. If the assumption is this one, we can go ahead for eons in this conversation.Fun could also come from unexpected situations, regardless or not they are &quot;positive&quot; for a character. Fun could be an encounter between a 4th level party with a 12th level group of bandits npcs (and sorry, they could be interested in robbing in the street... i do not see any illogical situation here, they're not living in a modern environment like ours). If a player plays under the assumption that &quot;s**t happens&quot; like real life, he will think two times before entering in a fight with the first group of npcs he meets. The fun is also &quot;read&quot; the situation and being a winner even in case you decide to flee....ok and this brings me back to the original question: it not only a matter of mastering, it is also a matter of balancing in game design... and the question is again: why?Train and test, ok. Re to the dragon: less fun for what reason? If the way you present that event leaves room to survive with a huge defeat of the PC, why the fun should be wasted? Why the fun should be only meet and defeat a pack of rats when the party is at 1st level?No, i do not think anyone is dumb. However my &quot;why&quot; is still unanswered.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="aia_2, post: 8683450, member: 6800399"] That is interesting, if you have some links or hints, pls let me know for i'd be really interested in reading about such a topic! Correct, but that is not the point i want to discuss: i am not complaining about rules... i am complaning about the fact that whenever you have a 7th level party, your adventure is always "railroaded" in terms of encounter: never a monster where the wisest thing the party can do is ti flee, never a useless group of 1st level npcs (who by the way have not a tag on their shoulders "1st level, hit here to go faster")... far lightyears an encounter with a mixed group of npcs (say 3 of 1st level and 2 of 11th level)... My point is also try to train the players to "read the situation" and take decisions that ordinary rules would consider negative in terms of experience (like withdrawing) whereas they should be calculated in the exact opposite sense: a combat would turn in a likely death and a withdraw would imply the pcs survives. Why do you tie fun with success? Even an episode where a PC dies could be perceived with fun. The assumption here is similar to the one i do not understand about the balance in encounters. If the assumption is this one, we can go ahead for eons in this conversation. Fun could also come from unexpected situations, regardless or not they are "positive" for a character. Fun could be an encounter between a 4th level party with a 12th level group of bandits npcs (and sorry, they could be interested in robbing in the street... i do not see any illogical situation here, they're not living in a modern environment like ours). If a player plays under the assumption that "s**t happens" like real life, he will think two times before entering in a fight with the first group of npcs he meets. The fun is also "read" the situation and being a winner even in case you decide to flee. ...ok and this brings me back to the original question: it not only a matter of mastering, it is also a matter of balancing in game design... and the question is again: why? Train and test, ok. Re to the dragon: less fun for what reason? If the way you present that event leaves room to survive with a huge defeat of the PC, why the fun should be wasted? Why the fun should be only meet and defeat a pack of rats when the party is at 1st level? No, i do not think anyone is dumb. However my "why" is still unanswered. [/QUOTE]

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