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<blockquote data-quote="Grendel_Khan" data-source="post: 8444940" data-attributes="member: 7028554"><p>You’re misrepresenting what I’m saying, and jumping to the same sorts of defensive conclusions that I was warning about and predicting. My comment wasn’t a broad takedown of D&D and/or D&D players, but an attempt to honestly surface a recurring issue, which is people rejecting the idea that any of this is worth talking about at the level of theory, especially in a comparative way. My point is that there is so much to talk about re: D&D that there’s no reason to try to shout down or reject the premise of a theory discussion.</p><p></p><p>Also, is it really an implicit barb to reference threads about death saves and psionics? Those are actual things that people post about, and they’re often interesting discussions. And they can happen without dealing with this apparent risk of being greatly offended by someone breaking down modes of play and different approaches to GM authority in a wide variety of games.</p><p></p><p>But you’re also reinforcing my comparison about these sorts of discussions and the oddly asymmetric nature of current political and even cultural discourse. Must remember to walk on eggshells around people who are threatened by any criticism—implied or direct, real or imagined—of whatever point of view they grew up with, or whatever popular IP is the source of their fandom. Discussions of the stifling effects of kneejerk anti-intellectualism shouldn’t, IMO, be forbidden for fear of someone deciding it’s a personal assault on their intelligence. It’s about whether and how you want to dig in, and none of us wants to dig into everything the same way.</p><p></p><p>Anyway my point in posting what you’re responding to was to note how those who don’t actually want to engage in these kinds of discussions, but are just chiming in because they feel slighted, often derail the whole enterprise. I know you’re interested in these kinds of discussions, but you’re also doing the exact thing I was talking about, though in this case on behalf of the presumably aggrieved parties. The result is the same.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grendel_Khan, post: 8444940, member: 7028554"] You’re misrepresenting what I’m saying, and jumping to the same sorts of defensive conclusions that I was warning about and predicting. My comment wasn’t a broad takedown of D&D and/or D&D players, but an attempt to honestly surface a recurring issue, which is people rejecting the idea that any of this is worth talking about at the level of theory, especially in a comparative way. My point is that there is so much to talk about re: D&D that there’s no reason to try to shout down or reject the premise of a theory discussion. Also, is it really an implicit barb to reference threads about death saves and psionics? Those are actual things that people post about, and they’re often interesting discussions. And they can happen without dealing with this apparent risk of being greatly offended by someone breaking down modes of play and different approaches to GM authority in a wide variety of games. But you’re also reinforcing my comparison about these sorts of discussions and the oddly asymmetric nature of current political and even cultural discourse. Must remember to walk on eggshells around people who are threatened by any criticism—implied or direct, real or imagined—of whatever point of view they grew up with, or whatever popular IP is the source of their fandom. Discussions of the stifling effects of kneejerk anti-intellectualism shouldn’t, IMO, be forbidden for fear of someone deciding it’s a personal assault on their intelligence. It’s about whether and how you want to dig in, and none of us wants to dig into everything the same way. Anyway my point in posting what you’re responding to was to note how those who don’t actually want to engage in these kinds of discussions, but are just chiming in because they feel slighted, often derail the whole enterprise. I know you’re interested in these kinds of discussions, but you’re also doing the exact thing I was talking about, though in this case on behalf of the presumably aggrieved parties. The result is the same. [/QUOTE]
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