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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8446220" data-attributes="member: 6795602">It feels to me like you have the argument backwards.&nbsp; I don't suggest you 'care' about D&amp;D because it's popular.&nbsp; I suggest the fact that it's popular means there's some underlying quality about it that made it popular.&nbsp; Knowing and understanding that quality is what I suggest you should care about.&nbsp; It may even be something compatible with the games you prefer.&nbsp; But shrugging off whatever that quality is as 'branding success' just comes across as dismissive of the game and the qualities it does bring to the table.&nbsp; I mean do you really think if your preferred games had better branding that they would be as popular as 5e?&nbsp; That's the fundamental disconnect I have with that position.I do think D&amp;D has solved at least 1 important problem - encouraging and allowing people to play together that share fundamentally different focuses and playstyles (obviously not all of them though).&nbsp; I'm curious, in some of the games you play can a player focused on optimization and mini-wargame-like tactics, a player wanting a relaxing beer and pretzels style game, a player that's focused on exploration and a player focused on play acting out and developing their character through play all sit at the same table and enjoy playing the same game together?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8446220, member: 6795602"] It feels to me like you have the argument backwards. I don't suggest you 'care' about D&D because it's popular. I suggest the fact that it's popular means there's some underlying quality about it that made it popular. Knowing and understanding that quality is what I suggest you should care about. It may even be something compatible with the games you prefer. But shrugging off whatever that quality is as 'branding success' just comes across as dismissive of the game and the qualities it does bring to the table. I mean do you really think if your preferred games had better branding that they would be as popular as 5e? That's the fundamental disconnect I have with that position. I do think D&D has solved at least 1 important problem - encouraging and allowing people to play together that share fundamentally different focuses and playstyles (obviously not all of them though). I'm curious, in some of the games you play can a player focused on optimization and mini-wargame-like tactics, a player wanting a relaxing beer and pretzels style game, a player that's focused on exploration and a player focused on play acting out and developing their character through play all sit at the same table and enjoy playing the same game together? [/QUOTE]

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