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<blockquote data-quote="loverdrive" data-source="post: 8446255" data-attributes="member: 7027139">Again, it's not about “high culture, low culture”. What I'm saying is, outside of the world of TTRPGs, it's unlikely that someone self-identifies as a fan of something doesn't have even cursory knowledge of other things.I highly doubt that there is a self-identified hip-hop fan that never experienced anything other than hip-hop. It's just a highly improbable scenario.I highly doubt that there is a self-identified First-Person Shooter fan who bought DooM in 1993 then Unreal in 1998 and never ever tried any other kind of game ever since. And, of course, been modding Unreal to make it into a completely different kind of game through all these years.Self-identified D&amp;D fans, on the other hand…Of course there are people who like D&amp;D for what D&amp;D is. I don't deny their existence. Hell, I'm one of them.But I also can't deny the existence of people whose goals don't align with what D&amp;D (or 5E in particular) offers. Haven't you seen such people? People who don't care for dungeon delving or slaying goblins or solving puzzles or committing war crimes in Neverwinter, actively avoid all the things that the system handles well and pursue areas where playing 5E is indistinguishable from playing a slovesochka, a game without rules? People who don't care for fantasy and get a hard on for CP, oh, wait, I mean Cyberpunk or modern days or wild west stuff? I don't know nor care if they are a majority of all D&amp;D players or a tiny fraction, but I see them often enough.Here on the enworld there is a bias towards old school and dungeoncrawling in D&amp;D discussions, probably because it's only us old timers use forums these days, but take a trip to /r/DnD. Look what advice people there give or ask for. For me, it's clear as day that there are at least some people who would be better served with something other than D&amp;D.[SPOILER=&quot;Like, seriously&quot;][ATTACH=full]146067[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]146069[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]146070[/ATTACH][/SPOILER]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="loverdrive, post: 8446255, member: 7027139"] Again, it's not about “high culture, low culture”. What I'm saying is, outside of the world of TTRPGs, it's unlikely that someone self-identifies as a fan of something doesn't have even cursory knowledge of other things. I highly doubt that there is a self-identified hip-hop fan that never experienced anything other than hip-hop. It's just a highly improbable scenario. I highly doubt that there is a self-identified First-Person Shooter fan who bought DooM in 1993 then Unreal in 1998 and never ever tried any other kind of game ever since. And, of course, been modding Unreal to make it into a completely different kind of game through all these years. Self-identified D&D fans, on the other hand… Of course there are people who like D&D for what D&D is. I don't deny their existence. Hell, I'm one of them. But I also can't deny the existence of people whose goals don't align with what D&D (or 5E in particular) offers. Haven't you seen such people? People who don't care for dungeon delving or slaying goblins or solving puzzles or committing war crimes in Neverwinter, actively avoid all the things that the system handles well and pursue areas where playing 5E is indistinguishable from playing a slovesochka, a game without rules? People who don't care for fantasy and get a hard on for CP, oh, wait, I mean Cyberpunk or modern days or wild west stuff? I don't know nor care if they are a majority of all D&D players or a tiny fraction, but I see them often enough. Here on the enworld there is a bias towards old school and dungeoncrawling in D&D discussions, probably because it's only us old timers use forums these days, but take a trip to /r/DnD. Look what advice people there give or ask for. For me, it's clear as day that there are at least some people who would be better served with something other than D&D. [SPOILER="Like, seriously"] [ATTACH type="full"]146067[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]146069[/ATTACH] [ATTACH type="full"]146070[/ATTACH] [/SPOILER] [/QUOTE]

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