Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
RPG Theory- The Limits of My Language are the Limits of My World
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Grendel_Khan" data-source="post: 8446651" data-attributes="member: 7028554"><p>[USER=7023840]@Snarf Zagyg[/USER] I suppose there's not much point in responding, since it sounds like you're dropping this post on your way out the door, and also saying that "Everything that really needed to be said is in the original post," raises the question: Why bother starting a thread, if what you're really doing is writing a blog post, and then getting increasingly frustrated when people disagree?</p><p></p><p>But I will note that this business of presenting those who criticize the absolutely dominant status quo (in any industry or other context) as bullies patrolling the cafeteria is 100 percent the asymmetric problem I'm trying to surface, as far as talking about D&D goes. Why can't film critics hail the absolute artistic genius of all things MCU, as evidenced by their box office success? Darn snobbish bullies. How dare people poke fun at 'Merica, or make jokes about white privilege or whatever sports team is currently dominant or anything else that, by nearly all quantifiable measures of success, is winning. What bullies, squeaking away...somewhere down there. Don't they know there's no honor in punching up, since, you see, Goliath's size is really a disadvantage, since it makes him such an easy target!</p><p></p><p>If we're going to talk about anything on a meaningful level related to mechanics, theory, etc. and not just "what's your favorite setting/race/class," why should anything be sacred? PbtA and all of its offshoots are open for criticism and comparison. OSR games too. Toss a barb about WoD players into a thread and you'll get a laugh emoji. Why do D&D and its players have to be treated so gingerly?</p><p></p><p>I mean, I guess you've already answered that, including busting out the old "People like what they like" maxim, the purpose of which I'm never sure of, except to try to short-circuit further analysis by somehow shaming the participants. But, at least in this sense, I suppose I'm shameless.</p><p></p><p>I also don't flip out when someone says Shadowrun 5th edition, the game I've been running for a while now, is not for them, has an unwieldy system, is worse than 2e, worse than Cyberpunk 2020 or Red, etc. I don't imagine them as bullies or wannabe cool kids. Because I'm not married to this game for the rest of my life, and it does some very specific things well (IMO) that I want to do right now, and pretty soon I'll say goodbye to the system, maybe forever.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying everyone should be system-promiscuous. But I reserve the right to be confused when anyone gets this offended by criticism of the game or system they're currently using.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grendel_Khan, post: 8446651, member: 7028554"] [USER=7023840]@Snarf Zagyg[/USER] I suppose there's not much point in responding, since it sounds like you're dropping this post on your way out the door, and also saying that "Everything that really needed to be said is in the original post," raises the question: Why bother starting a thread, if what you're really doing is writing a blog post, and then getting increasingly frustrated when people disagree? But I will note that this business of presenting those who criticize the absolutely dominant status quo (in any industry or other context) as bullies patrolling the cafeteria is 100 percent the asymmetric problem I'm trying to surface, as far as talking about D&D goes. Why can't film critics hail the absolute artistic genius of all things MCU, as evidenced by their box office success? Darn snobbish bullies. How dare people poke fun at 'Merica, or make jokes about white privilege or whatever sports team is currently dominant or anything else that, by nearly all quantifiable measures of success, is winning. What bullies, squeaking away...somewhere down there. Don't they know there's no honor in punching up, since, you see, Goliath's size is really a disadvantage, since it makes him such an easy target! If we're going to talk about anything on a meaningful level related to mechanics, theory, etc. and not just "what's your favorite setting/race/class," why should anything be sacred? PbtA and all of its offshoots are open for criticism and comparison. OSR games too. Toss a barb about WoD players into a thread and you'll get a laugh emoji. Why do D&D and its players have to be treated so gingerly? I mean, I guess you've already answered that, including busting out the old "People like what they like" maxim, the purpose of which I'm never sure of, except to try to short-circuit further analysis by somehow shaming the participants. But, at least in this sense, I suppose I'm shameless. I also don't flip out when someone says Shadowrun 5th edition, the game I've been running for a while now, is not for them, has an unwieldy system, is worse than 2e, worse than Cyberpunk 2020 or Red, etc. I don't imagine them as bullies or wannabe cool kids. Because I'm not married to this game for the rest of my life, and it does some very specific things well (IMO) that I want to do right now, and pretty soon I'll say goodbye to the system, maybe forever. I'm not saying everyone should be system-promiscuous. But I reserve the right to be confused when anyone gets this offended by criticism of the game or system they're currently using. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
RPG Theory- The Limits of My Language are the Limits of My World
Top