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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8446986" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>So ... to be clear, you want to make absolutely certain that I understand that (1) The post that you made, as a <em>reply to my post</em>, and that I viewed as insulting, was not, in fact insulting, and (2) any response I make to that post to explain what I wrote is not only insulting to you, but bad faith, too!</p><p></p><p>But to make sure there is nothing unclear, this is exactly what you wrote as a reply to my post, and was the <em>exact part</em> that someone else quoted as a great framework and that I responded to-</p><p></p><p><em>This feels a bit like an earlier comment ... t<u>hat talked about the veiled issue of how one is only permitted to talk about D&D or 5e in terms that showers praise on it while exclaiming it better than the rest.</u> IMHO, it seems that <u>anyone who needs their 800 pound market gorilla praised</u> in that fashion - no matter what we market or product we are talking about - <u>has no genuine intention of engaging in TTRPG criticism or theory</u>, but, rather, are<u> fishing for reassurance for a fragile ego that their gamer identity is the best</u> because ad populum.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I understand that Coca-Cola is a market leader in drinks and I understand why it is popular, but that doesn't mean that I will or should recommend it for everyone or in all occasions. For example, I probably won't recommend it to someone before they run a marathon.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Or likewise: <strong><u>'MERICA! (Truck yeah!)</u></strong><u> The USA is the greatest country ever. Praise be the Flag of Flags. America can do no wrong.</u> America is mother. America is father. American exceptionalism is the most exceptional! And so on. <u>But it never ceases to amaze me how many Americans I have encountered either here or elsewhere who have little to no grasp (almost to the point of being offended) of the idea that other fully functioning non-American democracies aren't designed just like America is</u>. The idea, for example, that the citizens of other countries have greater liberties or freedoms in some aspects than Americans is so anethema to American thinking and self-identity. <u>It is so offensive to some Americans that America is not the best at everything</u>. How could this be possible? They are the land of the free. They personally invented democracy in 1776. They have a Constitution with a Bill of Rights. How could other citizens possibly have more freedoms in not-America? (It's okay, I can say all of this as an American citizen, with special cred as a Southerner from Appalachia with both sides of my family living in America for 250+ years.)</em></p><p></p><p>So, I apologize if I somehow misinterpreted this.</p><p></p><p>I don't think I did. At all. But sure, I guess I demand praise for 5e, and demand reassurance for a fragile ego. And have no intention of engaging in TTRPG theory or criticism. </p><p></p><p>You know, just like all them ignorant 'Murikans who have no idea that a world can possibly exist.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay. If you don't see how someone might take offense at these characterizations, I don't think further explanation is going to help.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8446986, member: 7023840"] So ... to be clear, you want to make absolutely certain that I understand that (1) The post that you made, as a [I]reply to my post[/I], and that I viewed as insulting, was not, in fact insulting, and (2) any response I make to that post to explain what I wrote is not only insulting to you, but bad faith, too! But to make sure there is nothing unclear, this is exactly what you wrote as a reply to my post, and was the [I]exact part[/I] that someone else quoted as a great framework and that I responded to- [I]This feels a bit like an earlier comment ... t[U]hat talked about the veiled issue of how one is only permitted to talk about D&D or 5e in terms that showers praise on it while exclaiming it better than the rest.[/U] IMHO, it seems that [U]anyone who needs their 800 pound market gorilla praised[/U] in that fashion - no matter what we market or product we are talking about - [U]has no genuine intention of engaging in TTRPG criticism or theory[/U], but, rather, are[U] fishing for reassurance for a fragile ego that their gamer identity is the best[/U] because ad populum. I understand that Coca-Cola is a market leader in drinks and I understand why it is popular, but that doesn't mean that I will or should recommend it for everyone or in all occasions. For example, I probably won't recommend it to someone before they run a marathon. Or likewise: [B][U]'MERICA! (Truck yeah!)[/U][/B][U] The USA is the greatest country ever. Praise be the Flag of Flags. America can do no wrong.[/U] America is mother. America is father. American exceptionalism is the most exceptional! And so on. [U]But it never ceases to amaze me how many Americans I have encountered either here or elsewhere who have little to no grasp (almost to the point of being offended) of the idea that other fully functioning non-American democracies aren't designed just like America is[/U]. The idea, for example, that the citizens of other countries have greater liberties or freedoms in some aspects than Americans is so anethema to American thinking and self-identity. [U]It is so offensive to some Americans that America is not the best at everything[/U]. How could this be possible? They are the land of the free. They personally invented democracy in 1776. They have a Constitution with a Bill of Rights. How could other citizens possibly have more freedoms in not-America? (It's okay, I can say all of this as an American citizen, with special cred as a Southerner from Appalachia with both sides of my family living in America for 250+ years.)[/I] So, I apologize if I somehow misinterpreted this. I don't think I did. At all. But sure, I guess I demand praise for 5e, and demand reassurance for a fragile ego. And have no intention of engaging in TTRPG theory or criticism. You know, just like all them ignorant 'Murikans who have no idea that a world can possibly exist. Okay. If you don't see how someone might take offense at these characterizations, I don't think further explanation is going to help. [/QUOTE]
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