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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 8448129" data-attributes="member: 177">So, here's a thing that has come up a lot lately.What do you want to get out of this discussion?  Are you interested in debate, or arguing with Snarf until one of you "wins"?  Are you interested in Making Your Point?  Are you interested in Learning about Snarf's point of view?  Or something else?You and Snarf each have reasons you are engaging in this discussion.  They may not match up.  The things you think are important he may not give a whit about, and he won't respond to things he doesn't care about.  You don't get to structure his interests, any more than he gets to structure yours.Discussion is, in many, many ways, like RPGs.  Stated or not, there's some things you are looking for in engaging in the activity.  It pays ot make sure that everyone's goals, while not necessarily similar, are at least somewhat aligned and compatible, or things won't work out well.Not fundamentally more broad... than what, specifically? Did I miss a post specifying it?  If so, my apologies, and ignore the rest of this post.If not - I am darned sure we can name games that are fundamentally narrower than D&D in intent and design.I'll start with one - Ashen Stars.  it is a GUMSHOE based sci-fi game.  The authors tell you up front that it is designed to do mysteries, and sci-fi procedurals.  The PCs are specifically assumed to be the crew of a ship of troubleshooters-for-hire, and the character generation procedure is intended to make sure there's a set of In-flight and Groundside roles filled, and adventure design assumes a certain specific set of relevant skills are definitely covered by the person in each role.  IIRC, they even specifically advise a minimum of 5 players, as at less than that some people will double-up on roles, and then may not be free to act in one of their roles when needed.As noted, the adventures are expected to be sci fi mysteries and procedural missions presented to the characters (very Star Trek), with strong advisement to have an A Plot and B Plot running, focusing on different characters.  Choosing to not take a mission means... there's no mission, and the PCs do not get paid - sandbox play is not supported.  Resolution of the procedure or mystery is expected to include confronting an ethical dilemma or choice the PCs have to face.</blockquote>

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