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<blockquote data-quote="Malmuria" data-source="post: 8452966" data-attributes="member: 7030755">I agree that people are generally open to good faith criticism of 5e on these boards (and that&nbsp; criticism is generally actually much less severe than in dedicated 5e spaces.).&nbsp; I also agree that there are a variety of ways to play 5e.&nbsp; In fact, that is what people are trying to reference when they say there is a &quot;spectrum&quot; of 5e play (between sandbox and railroad, for example)...they are trying to say, in effect, that there are lots of ways to play this game.&nbsp; It's interesting because I interpreted the ensuing discussion in the other thread differently from you.&nbsp; Namely, that discussion become a (somewhat tedious) debate about the word &quot;spectrum.&quot;&nbsp; The seeming effect was that a bright contrast was made between 5e and games like AW, Burning Wheel, and others, but at the cost of collapsing or minimizing the range or spectrum of play available within 5e.&nbsp; More practically, I perceived that the conversation had fewer participants as people dropped out, not interested in following lengthy discussions about a single word.&nbsp; So if the goal of communication is to expose people familiar with 5e to a wider array of gaming styles, the focus on categories and the refinement of terms can actually be counterproductive, even if that same terminology can be helpful to people already familiar with a variety of games and approaches.Totally agree; this was what I was trying to reference in that thread.&nbsp; Aside from your responses, I'm not sure the discussion on that point was very open to thinking of that as a distinct play culture, much less one that has emergent, hybrid properties.[URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.enworld.org/threads/respect-mah-authoritah-thoughts-on-dm-and-player-authority-in-5e.683302/post-8439206[/URL]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Malmuria, post: 8452966, member: 7030755"] I agree that people are generally open to good faith criticism of 5e on these boards (and that criticism is generally actually much less severe than in dedicated 5e spaces.). I also agree that there are a variety of ways to play 5e. In fact, that is what people are trying to reference when they say there is a "spectrum" of 5e play (between sandbox and railroad, for example)...they are trying to say, in effect, that there are lots of ways to play this game. It's interesting because I interpreted the ensuing discussion in the other thread differently from you. Namely, that discussion become a (somewhat tedious) debate about the word "spectrum." The seeming effect was that a bright contrast was made between 5e and games like AW, Burning Wheel, and others, but at the cost of collapsing or minimizing the range or spectrum of play available within 5e. More practically, I perceived that the conversation had fewer participants as people dropped out, not interested in following lengthy discussions about a single word. So if the goal of communication is to expose people familiar with 5e to a wider array of gaming styles, the focus on categories and the refinement of terms can actually be counterproductive, even if that same terminology can be helpful to people already familiar with a variety of games and approaches. Totally agree; this was what I was trying to reference in that thread. Aside from your responses, I'm not sure the discussion on that point was very open to thinking of that as a distinct play culture, much less one that has emergent, hybrid properties. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.enworld.org/threads/respect-mah-authoritah-thoughts-on-dm-and-player-authority-in-5e.683302/post-8439206[/URL] [/QUOTE]

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