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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8456043" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>I think it works mechanically, there is simply, in AD&D at least, nothing to 'latch on to' in the character, aside from class and race, to drive the engagement thing. DW has bonds for example, or BW has beliefs. So, the question is still kind of what exactly are the checks accomplishing? In a DW game the player makes some choice/answers a question then the GM presents a 'move' and there's a check, and either the player's intent is realized or not (usually with some caveat). So, lets assume you played AD&D in a scene-framed DW-esque fashion, then these checks you speak of (which are basically a de-novo mechanism, though later 1e and then 2e do have some limited generalized check mechanics) can 'work the plot' like they do in DW (IE they reflect plot randomization, not "what is the probability Joe the Dwarf can do X in situation Y"). However, you do run into some flies in the ointment, like thief abilities and such, and the general plethora of types of dice rolls. You COULD simply reform such mechanics, or live with it. So, its a bit of a mixed bag.</p><p></p><p>Now when you go to 5e, then you do have some 'personality' stuff that can be officially added to a PC, and a background, which is reasonably meaty (easy enough to flesh out, they are fairly suggestive). So, I guess it isn't HARDER, you can employ fixed DCs that just scale a bit with level, so 90% of all checks fall within a couple points of nominal chances, and then employ "and if you miss by only 4..." or something. Its not quite DW!</p><p></p><p>I would say you are subverting AD&D (1e certainly) MORE because you will surely only use a lot of the mechanics more to bring something like 'fronts' to life. So, for example, wandering monsters are not likely to be random! Maps full of rooms and whatnot are going to need 'holes in them', etc. and obviously the central 'test the player' paradigm is largely subverted (though I am reminded of [USER=6696971]@Manbearcat[/USER] telling us that the various ways you get bonuses in DW are in fact a mechanism for injecting skilled play). 5e/2e are subverted a bit less, since they already kind of gave up on those skilled play concepts anyway, largely. 5e gets a bit weird in terms of different pressures on the PCs due to resources. OTOH DW doesn't especially allocate things symmetrically in that sense either, each resource is either a potential trade-off (do I forget my spell or attract unwanted attention) or a 'screw' to turn via a 'soft move'. 5e at least does offer full casters the old "how many slots do I really want to burn to get this done?" which could be levered by the GM in a few ways. Its a bit trickier to put pressure on, say, a Battlemaster in that sense, though hit points are always the classic standby. </p><p></p><p>You just definitely, in all cases, need to forget everything you ever learned about traditional GMing of these games! If I were to try to run 1e this way it would be hard not to fall back into old habits, and the fact that the game has all the levers to cater to those won't help, lol.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8456043, member: 82106"] I think it works mechanically, there is simply, in AD&D at least, nothing to 'latch on to' in the character, aside from class and race, to drive the engagement thing. DW has bonds for example, or BW has beliefs. So, the question is still kind of what exactly are the checks accomplishing? In a DW game the player makes some choice/answers a question then the GM presents a 'move' and there's a check, and either the player's intent is realized or not (usually with some caveat). So, lets assume you played AD&D in a scene-framed DW-esque fashion, then these checks you speak of (which are basically a de-novo mechanism, though later 1e and then 2e do have some limited generalized check mechanics) can 'work the plot' like they do in DW (IE they reflect plot randomization, not "what is the probability Joe the Dwarf can do X in situation Y"). However, you do run into some flies in the ointment, like thief abilities and such, and the general plethora of types of dice rolls. You COULD simply reform such mechanics, or live with it. So, its a bit of a mixed bag. Now when you go to 5e, then you do have some 'personality' stuff that can be officially added to a PC, and a background, which is reasonably meaty (easy enough to flesh out, they are fairly suggestive). So, I guess it isn't HARDER, you can employ fixed DCs that just scale a bit with level, so 90% of all checks fall within a couple points of nominal chances, and then employ "and if you miss by only 4..." or something. Its not quite DW! I would say you are subverting AD&D (1e certainly) MORE because you will surely only use a lot of the mechanics more to bring something like 'fronts' to life. So, for example, wandering monsters are not likely to be random! Maps full of rooms and whatnot are going to need 'holes in them', etc. and obviously the central 'test the player' paradigm is largely subverted (though I am reminded of [USER=6696971]@Manbearcat[/USER] telling us that the various ways you get bonuses in DW are in fact a mechanism for injecting skilled play). 5e/2e are subverted a bit less, since they already kind of gave up on those skilled play concepts anyway, largely. 5e gets a bit weird in terms of different pressures on the PCs due to resources. OTOH DW doesn't especially allocate things symmetrically in that sense either, each resource is either a potential trade-off (do I forget my spell or attract unwanted attention) or a 'screw' to turn via a 'soft move'. 5e at least does offer full casters the old "how many slots do I really want to burn to get this done?" which could be levered by the GM in a few ways. Its a bit trickier to put pressure on, say, a Battlemaster in that sense, though hit points are always the classic standby. You just definitely, in all cases, need to forget everything you ever learned about traditional GMing of these games! If I were to try to run 1e this way it would be hard not to fall back into old habits, and the fact that the game has all the levers to cater to those won't help, lol. [/QUOTE]
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