RPG-Wikipedia Proposal

aycarus

First Post
In my experience as both a DM and player, I have discovered that the Internet is an amazing resource for everything from plot devices to character concepts. The immense number of websites that proudly display the achievements of gamers around the world is a testament to the natural desire for numerous gamers to share ideas and content.

However, in the many years that I’ve scoured the Internet for resources, I’ve always felt as though there is a lack of a central forum for RPG content and ideas. The naturally sparse nature of the web has leant to creative ideas being stifled and unexposed. I would go so far as to say that most gamers perceive game companies to be the only legitimate source of material for their games, simply due to the fact that third party sources are unregulated and often unadvertised. In my perception, only a small minority is truly exposed to a substantial amount of the creative content the web has to offer – plowing through the full content of the web is no easy task.

For anybody who has ever heard of Wikipedia, the website offers a free encyclopedia for all to explore and learn from. However, what sets it apart from any other online encyclopedia is the fact that it allows its users to write its content. Individuals from countless fields each have the capacity to enter the Wikipedia and make their own contribution to its entries – adding the sum total of their knowledge to an already overflowing resource. The network of proposals and corrections submitted by users is maintained by a small set of editors who are effectively “administrators” – they have the final say on what is displayed to the public from each of the submissions. Considering the amount of information that is steadily submitted to Wikipedia, they certainly have their job cut out for them. A freely available document collaboration tool named wiki assists in the task of collaborations on encyclopedia content – submissions are then screened by administrators and posted. In addition, users have the ability to comment on and discuss articles and post any corrections (much like any other forum). For more information on the wikipedia, you can visit it at www.wikipedia.org (I certainly don’t claim to be an expert on it – but the idea is fairly simple, and yet very powerful).

Hence, my proposal is to bring together the ideas presented by wikipedia – document collaboration and a central repository for ideas – and the idea of an RPG forum – a board to present ideas and contribute to the global gaming community. The proposed integrated tool would provide the following benefits to users:

- Sorted categories of game resources, submitted by users (including, but not limited to, new game rules, plots, puzzles, etc.) Further, game resources would allow other users to contribute ideas – for example, straw polls would be available to allow submitted resources to be judged for balance. In addition, each submission will have an associated message board where content relating to the entry may be posted.

- Free webspace for users wishing to publish their game world to the Internet. A central forum for worlds would be an immensely valuable resource, as users could quickly receive feedback on their ideas and concepts. In addition, it would allow world-specific content to be filed together in a single repository.

- All submissions would be available for gamers to freely use. A good documentation license is required in order to ensure that content may be freely taken from the site and republished elsewhere. As a consequence, however, individuals taking content from the repository must give credit to its respective author(s) and direct readers to the online resource.

As webspace and bandwidth costs money, the site would likely have to be maintained by a combination of donations and ad banners. Administration would be handled on a volunteer basis, where trusted individuals maintain the boards. The tasks of the administrator include, but are not limited to:

- Posting and screening submitted content.

- Ensuring that copyrighted content is kept off of the repository. A method for contacting the administrators will be available for anybody who believes that copyrighted content has been posted.

As well, individuals will be required in order to design the layout or frontend for the site, the backend for managing the site content (likely derived from the freely available wiki collaboration tool), and keeping both of these up to date.

The one downfall of a site such as this is the effect on the industry as a consequence. A site such as this, if it grows to a large enough scale, would have the potential results of pulling down sales in the gaming industry as individuals migrate towards free content over published content. Many would argue, however, that the effects would instead drive companies to focus on more creative content and potentially profit from their uniqueness in that regard. I would not be so arrogant to claim that this design would ultimately draw in so many users as to have such consequences, but it’s something to think about.

Overall, I believe that this is an immense effort, but it would be a highly rewarding and useful resource if it could be implemented. I am currently examining the idea from a feasibility standpoint, and am curious if anybody has feedback on it. All comments are, as always, greatly appreciated!

Oh, and if this idea has already been implemented somewhere, I’d love to know.
 

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aycarus said:
- Sorted categories of game resources, submitted by users (including, but not limited to, new game rules,...

That's likely to be the primary sticking point in your suggestion since a lot of copyrights, trademarks and IP are involved.

aycarus said:
- Free webspace for users wishing to publish their game world to the Internet.

Folks do this now in so many various forms, utilizing the free space they get with their IP or the many other resources available online. Is the only difference you are suggesting is that it is centralized?

aycarus said:
- All submissions would be available for gamers to freely use. A good documentation license is required...

The closest thing to this now comes from WotC and you'd likely have to educate people in the use of the OGL, which might lead to some legal problems. Are the Wikipedia people aware you are suggesting tying them to using an outside license, and have they approved of an outside party being the legal oversight committee for using such a license? It's potentially a pretty big can of worms. Do you have a legal background or are you just floating the idea as a layman?

aycarus said:
- Ensuring that copyrighted content is kept off of the repository. A method for contacting the administrators will be available for anybody who believes that copyrighted content has been posted.

I've never been comfortable with the idea that some folks feel it is easier to remedy misuse of material ("Just contact us and we'll take it down...") than to do proper due diligence and assure that it never gets online in the first place. There's a HUGE research responsibility that goes along with handling material from many sources as a repository and you run the risk of being the primary person named in a lawsuit if you head up such a project.

aycarus said:
The one downfall of a site such as this is the effect on the industry as a consequence.

I doubt it. It hasn't happened yet, since the inception of the Intenet, and things were much, more loose in times past. Just ask old hands like Hong about about the history of Internet (maybe he'll make some comments?) Besides, I disagree that it is the one downfall. There are many but the biggest one, IMO, is the legal responsibility (as previously mentioned).

aycarus said:
All comments are, as always, greatly appreciated!

Oh, and if this idea has already been implemented somewhere, I’d love to know.

I think the closest thing to such an idea currently exists right here on EN World. :)
 


Kesh said:
I think Mark covered most of the problems with this.

However, I think a WikiSRD would rock...
An excellent idea. The great thing about Wiki is how it basically turns the whole audience into editors. I've made a few edits to the Wikipedia myself (just typos and stuff) and it's great to be able to contribute.

Aycarus: Maybe a good way to start a central repository would be to publish your own stuff on a Wiki page and post about it here on EN World. DMs love to tinker and I think you'll find people tinkering with your stuff left and right. If they get hooked, they'll start posting their own for comment/revision.
 

Mark said:
The closest thing to this now comes from WotC and you'd likely have to educate people in the use of the OGL, which might lead to some legal problems. Are the Wikipedia people aware you are suggesting tying them to using an outside license, and have they approved of an outside party being the legal oversight committee for using such a license? It's potentially a pretty big can of worms. Do you have a legal background or are you just floating the idea as a layman?

He is not suggesting tying wikipedia to an outside license. He's suggesting using wiki software to create a RPG site like wikipedia, on which the material would need to be licensed somehow.

For an existing example of something like this, see the Exalted Wiki.
 

Mark said:
Welcome to the EN World boards! :)

Thanks :)

Mark said:
That's likely to be the primary sticking point in your suggestion since a lot of copyrights, trademarks and IP are involved.

Indeed. Before such a site could go live, it'd have to do a fairly solid job at wrapping up legal loose ends. However, Wikipedia is a good example of a site that has succeeded even against such legal odds.

Mark said:
Folks do this now in so many various forms, utilizing the free space they get with their IP or the many other resources available online. Is the only difference you are suggesting is that it is centralized?

I would think, at the very least, that such a site should contain a list of links to other people's worlds (using their webspace). Potentially proposing a standard format for displaying world content would also be very useful, since it would allow a search engine to potentially scan their pages for desired content. In general, the spirit of this idea would be to provide a mechanism that motivates a user to publish their world to the web.

Mark said:
The closest thing to this now comes from WotC and you'd likely have to educate people in the use of the OGL, which might lead to some legal problems. Are the Wikipedia people aware you are suggesting tying them to using an outside license, and have they approved of an outside party being the legal oversight committee for using such a license? It's potentially a pretty big can of worms. Do you have a legal background or are you just floating the idea as a layman?

Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest an alliance with the Wikipedia people. The idea would be to set up a wiki board independent of Wikipedia - I was just identifying them as an example of a successful document collaboration project using wiki.

Mark said:
I've never been comfortable with the idea that some folks feel it is easier to remedy misuse of material ("Just contact us and we'll take it down...") than to do proper due diligence and assure that it never gets online in the first place. There's a HUGE research responsibility that goes along with handling material from many sources as a repository and you run the risk of being the primary person named in a lawsuit if you head up such a project.

It seems as though a wikiboard would have an advantage over message boards on this issue since the administrators would have the opportunity to catch potential copyrighted submissions prior to their entry for all to view. As well, potentially all users would have the capacity to report a potentially copyrighted submission by reporting it to an administrator (thus still retaining the mechanisms of a message board).

Mark said:
I doubt it. It hasn't happened yet, since the inception of the Intenet, and things were much, more loose in times past. Just ask old hands like Hong about about the history of Internet (maybe he'll make some comments?) Besides, I disagree that it is the one downfall. There are many but the biggest one, IMO, is the legal responsibility (as previously mentioned).

Just a thought, anyway. I thought I may as well get the SCOesque argument out of the way as soon as possible ;)

Mark said:
I think the closest thing to such an idea currently exists right here on EN World. :)
 

If you have the time and inclination, you should throw your efforts in behind EN World. They could use some help rebuilding their links pages since the site upgrade and it does approximately what you are suggesting building from scratch. Post in the META forum here and ask for more details on how you can help (with an explanation of what you are proposing.)
 

Mark said:
If you have the time and inclination, you should throw your efforts in behind EN World. They could use some help rebuilding their links pages since the site upgrade and it does approximately what you are suggesting building from scratch. Post in the META forum here and ask for more details on how you can help (with an explanation of what you are proposing.)

At the very least, I think I would like to pull some people together and implement a wiki page independently, then examine the possibility of integrating with existing architecture (if the administration were keen to the idea). Again, it'd be worthwhile examining the feasability of such a proposition - in particular if the OGL is conductive to such a resource. If something of the sort were to exist, I'd jump on the opportunity to submit my own content to it :D
 

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