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<blockquote data-quote="Shardstone" data-source="post: 9198812" data-attributes="member: 6807784"><p>My man, it doesn't matter if it's ok or not, I'm not getting defensive, I'm saying its a pointless categorization. It is the proto-RPG. It legitimately required exterior knowledge in order to use. They didn't sell those books intending on having a complete game in them, but intending for people with exterior knowledge to complete them. Ignoring this context just to say that, by themselves they aren't complete RPGs, is literally doing nothing. No one cares if you think they aren't RPGs because you ignore the context in which they exist, because at the end of the day, taking things out of their cultural and societal context when it clearly relies upon it is not worthwhile analysis. You defining it as anything else other than an RPG not only requires us to ignore the spirit and nature of oD&amp;D, but it also doesn't add anything to the conversation, help us see anything in a different light, etc. It's like saying &quot;Hey, by our standards today, goose feathers aren't technically pens?&quot; ...And somehow this analogy still ends up adding more to my understanding of the world then pretending like there is anything worthwhile in talking about contextless oD&amp;D.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Shardstone, post: 9198812, member: 6807784"] My man, it doesn't matter if it's ok or not, I'm not getting defensive, I'm saying its a pointless categorization. It is the proto-RPG. It legitimately required exterior knowledge in order to use. They didn't sell those books intending on having a complete game in them, but intending for people with exterior knowledge to complete them. Ignoring this context just to say that, by themselves they aren't complete RPGs, is literally doing nothing. No one cares if you think they aren't RPGs because you ignore the context in which they exist, because at the end of the day, taking things out of their cultural and societal context when it clearly relies upon it is not worthwhile analysis. You defining it as anything else other than an RPG not only requires us to ignore the spirit and nature of oD&D, but it also doesn't add anything to the conversation, help us see anything in a different light, etc. It's like saying "Hey, by our standards today, goose feathers aren't technically pens?" ...And somehow this analogy still ends up adding more to my understanding of the world then pretending like there is anything worthwhile in talking about contextless oD&D. [/QUOTE]

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