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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9199172" data-attributes="member: 7035894">I tend to frame this discussion in terms of open and closed rules systems.To give an example close to my heart, Forbidden Desert is a closed rules system. We always add an element of role-play - for example, when we get our roles at the beginning we always come up with a character name and amusing backstory. And when we take our turns, I always narrate what my character is doing in a dramatic fashion. But all of this is extraneous to the rules: and the win/lose conditions are clearly spelled out, giving the game objectivity. At a fundamental level, the game is purely mathematical and finite. It's measurable.TTRPGs, on the other hand, are designed to be open. There are rules, but the scope of the game is infinite and win/lose conditions are fundamentally subjective. Thus, there is a need not just for rules but for rulings, so some form of referee is essential. TTRPGs are emergent games.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9199172, member: 7035894"] I tend to frame this discussion in terms of open and closed rules systems. To give an example close to my heart, [I]Forbidden Desert[/I] is a closed rules system. We [I]always[/I] add an element of role-play - for example, when we get our roles at the beginning we always come up with a character name and amusing backstory. And when we take our turns, I always narrate what my character is doing in a dramatic fashion. But all of this is extraneous to the rules: and the win/lose conditions are clearly spelled out, giving the game objectivity. At a fundamental level, the game is purely mathematical and finite. It's measurable. TTRPGs, on the other hand, are designed to be open. There are rules, but the scope of the game is infinite and win/lose conditions are fundamentally subjective. Thus, there is a need not just for rules but for rulings, so some form of referee is essential. TTRPGs are emergent games. [/QUOTE]

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