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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9209707" data-attributes="member: 42582">I personally don't use the language of &quot;system say&quot;. I think the system is a method for constraining and generating what someone else says - eg I see Event rolls or Wandering Monster rolls as ways of constraining and generating what the GM says at certain moments of play.Whether anything is at stake in relation to this terminological preference of mine I don't know.I think there are a lot of systems that constrain and generate without modelling. For instance, an Event roll in Torchbearer 2e, or a Weather roll in that system, doesn't model anything. It is triggered by game play including a certain sort of action declaration or content (eg &quot;We camp&quot; or &quot;We set off on a journey&quot;), and it makes a significant contribution to setting the parameters of what the GM can say next. (But not the only constraint - eg the GM is expected to interpret and elaborate on Event rolls by reference to the PCs' actions, their allies, family and enemies, etc.)And to be clear, by &quot;model&quot; I mean a representation of a thing or a process. An Event roll doesn't represent anything.EDITed to correct an errant &quot;with&quot; to &quot;without&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9209707, member: 42582"] I personally don't use the language of "system say". I think the system is a method for constraining and generating what someone else says - eg I see Event rolls or Wandering Monster rolls as ways of constraining and generating [I]what the GM says[/I] at certain moments of play. Whether anything is at stake in relation to this terminological preference of mine I don't know. I think there are a lot of systems that constrain and generate without [I]modelling[/I]. For instance, an Event roll in Torchbearer 2e, or a Weather roll in that system, doesn't [I]model[/I] anything. It is triggered by game play including a certain sort of action declaration or content (eg "We camp" or "We set off on a journey"), and it makes a significant contribution to setting the parameters of what the GM can say next. (But not the only constraint - eg the GM is expected to interpret and elaborate on Event rolls by reference to the PCs' actions, their allies, family and enemies, etc.) And to be clear, by "model" I mean [I]a representation of a thing or a process[/I]. An Event roll doesn't represent anything. EDITed to correct an errant "with" to "without". [/QUOTE]

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