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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9218017" data-attributes="member: 6795602">'Conflicting conceptions of the fiction' = 'competing conceptions of the fiction'.  IMO at least.  But it's not a big deal whatever we label that concept.  No matter the name that isn't something that's typically happening in most D&D play.It's more complex than that.  I explain it better below.Correct.The rules detail process that the DM should follow - at least in 5e D&D.  The rules do not tell the DM to decide how to respond to the player's action declaration.  What the rules do say:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The DM determines if there is uncertainty in the players action.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">If there's no uncertainty then rule accordingly</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">If there is uncertainty then ask the player to make a skill check and the DM sets the DC based on things like the established fiction so far, his notes, and then that along with randomization coupled with PC ability, and scenario all factor into resolving whether this should ultimately be success or failure.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Whether success or failure the DM decides the precise fictional meaning of that and narrates that to player.</li> </ol>So I wouldn't fully agree that the DM has to decide how to respond to the player's action declaration because the most important elements of his response are not his to decide.  The DM decides initially whether certain/uncertain, then what the DC should be (if applicable), and finally the precise fiction regarding success/failure.  And while that might seem like it gives the DM enough say to be able by fiat to craft the fiction however he desires, there are soo many constraints regarding how he makes each of these decisions that I don't think I've ever seen it rise to the 'say whatever he might desire' kind of level.This sounds like my step 1 above.  So I agree here.5e D&D doesn't require the DM to introduce a new possibility - failure/success is always determined before he has to decide upon the precise fiction related to that failure/success (the last step in the process outlined above).  Once he decides and states what happens - it's not a possibility anymore.</blockquote>

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