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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 9223903" data-attributes="member: 71699">Clear examples help circumvent the regress I described above. Showing how it plays implies both the effect and the use of a mechanic. Its intended meaning for play, in other words.It seems clear at this point that folk read those same words to have differing import. And I think this is related to the above because examples rely on folk taking something like but not identical to what they are doing right now, and understanding that what they should do right now is something like that. Received norms, in other words.I've laid out my differences of opinion in various posts above, and won't rehearse them here. Suffice to say that participants' grasp of the fiction can observably be updated in multiple ways.The contention that player decision-tree work necessarily utilizes negotiation seems new (or I overlooked it earlier.) The first objection would be just to wonder why it must be communal? I think you mean to focus on that however, so will give cases that are communal some thought.</blockquote>