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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 9227762" data-attributes="member: 6696971">My intent on focusing the conversation on closed scene conflict resolution was thus:* Remove the 5e angle of the conversation entirely because, whether intended or not, you guys are framing this conversation as a full-throated defense of 5e and its making this utterly impossible.&nbsp; For my part (I can only speak for me), this conversation had absolutely zero to do with D&amp;D or 5e D&amp;D.&nbsp; Task Resolution and Conflict Resolution exist en masse outside of the D&amp;D-osphere.* Examine the core concepts of closed scene resolution because its a novel form of conflict resolution that basically includes ALL_THE_THINGS (TM) and then, once that is absorbed, eliminate constituent parts to arrive at alternative versions of conflict resolution (and see why they still work as conflict resolution).But that focused conversation obviously can't happen and this has turned into a scattershot &quot;but what about this&quot; &quot;but what about this&quot; &quot;but what about this&quot; of auxiliary or tenuously related (at best) things when we haven't even nailed down the core concepts and, whether it is or not, it looks an attempt to both (a) find a magic bullet and (b) obliterate distinctions.On (b), the obliterations of distinctions aren't &quot;disturbing&quot; to me.&nbsp; Its not an emotional response.&nbsp; The obliteration of distinctions are a problem for me when they're wrong and that wrongness generates a net harm to understanding concepts and processes.[HR][/HR]My fallback was going to be to discuss the Gather Information skill in 3.x…the most task resolution aspiring form of D&amp;D…and contrast it with other 3.x skills.&nbsp; Then discuss what inherent features of 3.x make Gather Information about the poorest form of conflict resolution there is.My concerns there are:* Too close to the 5e problems so it would again turn into a conversation about/full-throated defense of 5e.* We would have to get into the weeds of 3.x and I don’t know how prepared folks are to do that (nor whether I want to).[HR][/HR]However, this is officially the white flag. I'm out.&nbsp; This conversation is impossible.&nbsp; So please don't tag me again on this.Folks have a Happy Holidays.GGs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 9227762, member: 6696971"] My intent on focusing the conversation on closed scene conflict resolution was thus: * Remove the 5e angle of the conversation entirely because, whether intended or not, you guys are framing this conversation as a full-throated defense of 5e and its making this utterly impossible. For my part (I can only speak for me), this conversation had absolutely zero to do with D&D or 5e D&D. Task Resolution and Conflict Resolution exist en masse outside of the D&D-osphere. * Examine the core concepts of closed scene resolution because its a novel form of conflict resolution that basically includes ALL_THE_THINGS (TM) and then, once that is absorbed, eliminate constituent parts to arrive at alternative versions of conflict resolution (and see why they still work as conflict resolution). But that focused conversation obviously can't happen and this has turned into a scattershot "but what about this" "but what about this" "but what about this" of auxiliary or tenuously related (at best) things when we haven't even nailed down the core concepts and, whether it is or not, it looks an attempt to both (a) find a magic bullet and (b) obliterate distinctions. On (b), the obliterations of distinctions aren't "disturbing" to me. Its not an emotional response. The obliteration of distinctions are a problem for me when they're wrong and that wrongness generates a net harm to understanding concepts and processes. [HR][/HR] My fallback was going to be to discuss the Gather Information skill in 3.x…the most task resolution aspiring form of D&D…and contrast it with other 3.x skills. Then discuss what inherent features of 3.x make Gather Information about the poorest form of conflict resolution there is. My concerns there are: * Too close to the 5e problems so it would again turn into a conversation about/full-throated defense of 5e. * We would have to get into the weeds of 3.x and I don’t know how prepared folks are to do that (nor whether I want to). [HR][/HR] However, this is officially the white flag. I'm out. This conversation is impossible. So please don't tag me again on this. Folks have a Happy Holidays. GGs. [/QUOTE]

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