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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 9230360" data-attributes="member: 71699">I mean &quot;ignoring&quot; here in the strongest sense - &quot;while disregarding&quot; or &quot;deliberately detached from&quot; - so that it's meaning to play can be found somewhere other than in the acting player's intent.This comes to a reframing of the definition I proposed earlier. The meaning of player performances is grounded not in what they aim to do, but in some other playful purpose. One they accept and enjoy but do not control. (Perhaps their enjoyment is to some extent sustained by that objectivity.)To say that the meaning of an act is found in some purpose wider than the act is a normal observation about meaningfulness. It applies as much to resolving player aims as resolving effects of their acts detached from their aims. Thus, it is the chosen wider purpose that must ultimately distinguish conflict from task resolution. Perhaps it is the matter of who controls the wider purpose that counts?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 9230360, member: 71699"] I mean "ignoring" here in the strongest sense - "while disregarding" or "deliberately detached from" - so that it's meaning to play can be found somewhere other than in the acting player's intent. This comes to a reframing of the definition I proposed earlier. The meaning of player performances is grounded not in what they aim to do, but in some other playful purpose. One they accept and enjoy but do not control. (Perhaps their enjoyment is to some extent sustained by that objectivity.) To say that the meaning of an act is found in some purpose wider than the act is a normal observation about meaningfulness. It applies as much to resolving player aims as resolving effects of their acts detached from their aims. Thus, it is the chosen wider purpose that must ultimately distinguish conflict from task resolution. Perhaps it is the matter of [I]who controls the wider purpose [/I]that counts? [/QUOTE]

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