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<blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5899651" data-attributes="member: 59506"><p>Getting together to play an RPG is about much more than just role playing or participating in a hobby...it's participating in a <em>social event</em> at (usually) someone's <em>home</em>.</p><p> </p><p>Discriminating...probably so, but I'd also say quite justified. I am discriminating as to who I let in my home, as I imagine you are to. Everyone considers whether they want someone in their home or not. That is discriminating, and we all do it, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, I'm guessing you were trying to say he was being <em>unfairly discriminatory</em>, as in discriminating based on aspects that our society says we shouldn't...? If that's so, then I think you're absolutely wrong. I don't see anything in Olive's post that indicates that at all.</p><p> </p><p>I can tell you with absolute certainty though, a persons skill at role playing is the least of my concerns or priorities when it comes to allowing people I don't know into my home, and in most cases isn't a factor at all. All I care about is that they will fit with the group (chemistry), understand the rules of polite society, and not be a jerk. Olive's criteria may not be perfect in determining if someone will fit the above, but it's a pretty good start. Someone who has a job is most likely able to work with other people (and like many others have stated, I think an income of any sort counts - and I'm betting Olive would accept this also). Having a significant other means they are likely able to interact inoffensively with others (and I think this can also subsitute for one having their own job - and yes, I'd most certainly consider a stay at home parent [not just "Moms"] as having a job). And being a part of a social activity outside of the actual gaming session means they likely know how to interact socially without being a jerk.</p><p> </p><p>Also, Olive was talking specifically about people he didn't already know. It sounds to me like a very good rule of thumb to follow. Not just for RPG's, but for inclusion of anyone in a social situation in one's own home.</p><p> </p><p>As to what you've said about yourself, your own description shows that you would be accepted into his home. 1: you have support (financial). 2: you have a significant other. 3: you engage in a social outlet outside of gaming in someone's home (ENWorld) - it may be related to gaming, but it's still seperate.</p><p> </p><p>He also didn't say that all had to be present. He listed a preference that guests <em>should</em> have two out of three, and I'm betting he'd view each situation on a case by case basis. I'm also sure that like most people, vouching by friends probably goes a long way also.</p><p> </p><p>As I think about what Olive said, I realize most of us probably already do this. Just maybe not as conciously codified. Can I see exceptions to those guidelines? Absolutely! But I can also see that predominantly, if someone doesn't fulfill at least two of those three criteria, and has the ability to do so but chooses not to, I probably don't want them in my house either. They may be very general criteria, but used together I can see them being quite indicative, and likely an accurate predictor in most cases.</p><p> </p><p>Also, saying that Olive probably doesn't care about people with disabilities because of that one post is seriously jumping to conclusions, ascribing motivations to him that you can't possibly know, and accusing in a derogatory manner simply because of him stating his preferences. </p><p> </p><p>Not Cool.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="El Mahdi, post: 5899651, member: 59506"] Getting together to play an RPG is about much more than just role playing or participating in a hobby...it's participating in a [I]social event[/I] at (usually) someone's [I]home[/I]. Discriminating...probably so, but I'd also say quite justified. I am discriminating as to who I let in my home, as I imagine you are to. Everyone considers whether they want someone in their home or not. That is discriminating, and we all do it, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, I'm guessing you were trying to say he was being [I]unfairly discriminatory[/I], as in discriminating based on aspects that our society says we shouldn't...? If that's so, then I think you're absolutely wrong. I don't see anything in Olive's post that indicates that at all. I can tell you with absolute certainty though, a persons skill at role playing is the least of my concerns or priorities when it comes to allowing people I don't know into my home, and in most cases isn't a factor at all. All I care about is that they will fit with the group (chemistry), understand the rules of polite society, and not be a jerk. Olive's criteria may not be perfect in determining if someone will fit the above, but it's a pretty good start. Someone who has a job is most likely able to work with other people (and like many others have stated, I think an income of any sort counts - and I'm betting Olive would accept this also). Having a significant other means they are likely able to interact inoffensively with others (and I think this can also subsitute for one having their own job - and yes, I'd most certainly consider a stay at home parent [not just "Moms"] as having a job). And being a part of a social activity outside of the actual gaming session means they likely know how to interact socially without being a jerk. Also, Olive was talking specifically about people he didn't already know. It sounds to me like a very good rule of thumb to follow. Not just for RPG's, but for inclusion of anyone in a social situation in one's own home. As to what you've said about yourself, your own description shows that you would be accepted into his home. 1: you have support (financial). 2: you have a significant other. 3: you engage in a social outlet outside of gaming in someone's home (ENWorld) - it may be related to gaming, but it's still seperate. He also didn't say that all had to be present. He listed a preference that guests [I]should[/I] have two out of three, and I'm betting he'd view each situation on a case by case basis. I'm also sure that like most people, vouching by friends probably goes a long way also. As I think about what Olive said, I realize most of us probably already do this. Just maybe not as conciously codified. Can I see exceptions to those guidelines? Absolutely! But I can also see that predominantly, if someone doesn't fulfill at least two of those three criteria, and has the ability to do so but chooses not to, I probably don't want them in my house either. They may be very general criteria, but used together I can see them being quite indicative, and likely an accurate predictor in most cases. Also, saying that Olive probably doesn't care about people with disabilities because of that one post is seriously jumping to conclusions, ascribing motivations to him that you can't possibly know, and accusing in a derogatory manner simply because of him stating his preferences. Not Cool.:erm: [/QUOTE]
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