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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 507493" data-attributes="member: 151">Celtavian,I think you are correct that you shouldn't have expected 3 deaths per character, and so forth, nor should you be expected to know that it is a meatgrinder, or read such assessments here or elsewhere.I would posit, however, that your DM should know better.&nbsp; Unless he's not reading the module prior to using it, it should become abundantly clear from the first encounter with Utreshimon onwards that this module is dangerous.&nbsp; The moathouse was a scary place for my players when they went there...no lethalities, but there could have been very easily, if dice had gone differently.&nbsp; (in my game, they had the assasain with them, who the bard had sussed out, but he nearly killed the half-orc during the Utreshimon encounter).&nbsp; There are several spots in the moathouse where a TPK is possible, and the CRM and later only gets uglier.&nbsp; If your DM didn't want to change the module, then I think he wasn't really taking your group into account, or not setting your expectations appropriately.Mind you, after the fifth or sixth death, I would have been much, MUCH more cautious and conservative inside the CRM, myself.&nbsp; I'm not sure if your game is more or less extreme...you appear to have had more than the normal amount of deaths amongst your fellows than is the norm...although not unreasonably moreso.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 507493, member: 151"] Celtavian, I think you are correct that you shouldn't have expected 3 deaths per character, and so forth, nor should you be expected to know that it is a meatgrinder, or read such assessments here or elsewhere. I would posit, however, that your DM should know better. Unless he's not reading the module prior to using it, it should become abundantly clear from the first encounter with Utreshimon onwards that this module is dangerous. The moathouse was a scary place for my players when they went there...no lethalities, but there could have been very easily, if dice had gone differently. (in my game, they had the assasain with them, who the bard had sussed out, but he nearly killed the half-orc during the Utreshimon encounter). There are several spots in the moathouse where a TPK is possible, and the CRM and later only gets uglier. If your DM didn't want to change the module, then I think he wasn't really taking your group into account, or not setting your expectations appropriately. Mind you, after the fifth or sixth death, I would have been much, MUCH more cautious and conservative inside the CRM, myself. I'm not sure if your game is more or less extreme...you appear to have had more than the normal amount of deaths amongst your fellows than is the norm...although not unreasonably moreso. [/QUOTE]

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