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<blockquote data-quote="Anselm" data-source="post: 8680516" data-attributes="member: 6978363">Beasts and characters in beast shapes have &quot;natural weapon&quot; attacks. They are referenced separately. See invigorated strike spell:&quot;Invigorated Strikes (tra): Increase the damage dealt by a creature’s unarmed strikes and natural weapons.&quot;and weapon attacks:&quot;All creatures are proficient with their natural weapons and unarmed strikes. Unless otherwise noted, an unarmed strike deals bludgeoning damage equal to 1 + Strength modifier. Attacks made with natural weapons and unarmed strikes are considered to be melee weapon attacks, and a thrown weapon is considered to be a ranged weapon attack.&quot;However, I don't think they are mutually exclusive. Surprisingly, I don't think A5E defines or gives examples of an unarmed strike. O5E does:&quot;Instead of using a weapon to make a melee weapon attack, you can use an unarmed strike: a punch, kick, head-butt, or similar forceful blow (none of which count as weapons)&quot;Obviously we can ignore the spots where they directly contradict each other but I think the idea is generally the same. Honestly it's very unclear where a line would be. Is a punch the same thing as a swipe with claws? There's for sure a difference in damage dice but unarmed strikes themselves can have different damage dice. There for sure no formal weapon in play for either. Natural weapons are similarly undefined.Honestly I'd say yes to a point. Any natural weapons count as unarmed strikes if they're a part of the creatures body when the attack is made and they're not being used separately from the creatures body. Spines being shot at someone at range or a broken claw used like a dagger, for example, would be weapons and not unarmed strikes.I'd also be clear with the player that things might be out of balance because there's some gray area. &quot;Subject to future rebalance if so.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anselm, post: 8680516, member: 6978363"] Beasts and characters in beast shapes have "natural weapon" attacks. They are referenced separately. See invigorated strike spell: "Invigorated Strikes (tra): Increase the damage dealt by a creature’s unarmed strikes and natural weapons." and weapon attacks: "All creatures are proficient with their natural weapons and unarmed strikes. Unless otherwise noted, an unarmed strike deals bludgeoning damage equal to 1 + Strength modifier. Attacks made with natural weapons and unarmed strikes are considered to be melee weapon attacks, and a thrown weapon is considered to be a ranged weapon attack." However, I don't think they are mutually exclusive. Surprisingly, I don't think A5E defines or gives examples of an unarmed strike. O5E does: "Instead of using a weapon to make a melee weapon attack, you can use an unarmed strike: a punch, kick, head-butt, or similar forceful blow (none of which count as weapons)" Obviously we can ignore the spots where they directly contradict each other but I think the idea is generally the same. Honestly it's very unclear where a line would be. Is a punch the same thing as a swipe with claws? There's for sure a difference in damage dice but unarmed strikes themselves can have different damage dice. There for sure no formal weapon in play for either. Natural weapons are similarly undefined. Honestly I'd say yes to a point. Any natural weapons count as unarmed strikes if they're a part of the creatures body when the attack is made and they're not being used separately from the creatures body. Spines being shot at someone at range or a broken claw used like a dagger, for example, would be weapons and not unarmed strikes. I'd also be clear with the player that things might be out of balance because there's some gray area. "Subject to future rebalance if so." [/QUOTE]

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