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<blockquote data-quote="crantastic" data-source="post: 4626411" data-attributes="member: 25298">The first sentence of PHB pg55, pg4, which i've quoted twice already, directly refutes your claim: &quot;Resistance or immunity to one keyword of a power does not protect a target from the power's other effects.&quot;&nbsp; Immunity should be considered a really, really high resistance.&nbsp; All rules for resistances against mixed damage and effect types apply to immunities as well.The definition of &quot;immune&quot; on MM 282 does not in any way explicitly state immunity to one type of damage or effect will nullify damage from an attack of mixed types, whereas the PHB is quite clear that this is not the case.You're also continuing to equate &quot;damage and effects&quot; with &quot;power&quot; (&quot;...nor any other ill effect from the power&quot;). While related, they are not the same.&nbsp; Powers are composed of damage and effects.&nbsp; The various damage and effect types are where the keywords are applied. Finally, all interpretations of the Spined Devil's &quot;Rain of Spines&quot; have been incorrect.&nbsp; Let's start by reading the actual text (MM 66):Rain of Spines + Fire, Poison
The spined devil flings spines that ignite as they fly through the air.&nbsp; Ranged 10; +9 vs. Reflex; 1d10 damage plus 1d6 fire damage, and the spined devil makes a secondary attack against the same target.&nbsp; Secondary Attack: +9 vs. Fortitude; the target takes ongoing 5 poison damage and is slowed (save ends both).The primary attack is not strictly fire damage.&nbsp; As with all immunities, if you're not immune to physical, you'll take the 1d10 physical damage.&nbsp; If you're immune to fire, you'll ignore the 1d6 fire damage, but you still take the 1d10 physical, and are subject to the poison attack.&nbsp; if you're immune to poison, you're immune to the entire secondary attack.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="crantastic, post: 4626411, member: 25298"] The first sentence of PHB pg55, pg4, which i've quoted twice already, directly refutes your claim: "Resistance or immunity to one keyword of a power does not protect a target from the power's other effects." Immunity should be considered a really, really high resistance. All rules for resistances against mixed damage and effect types apply to immunities as well. The definition of "immune" on MM 282 does not in any way explicitly state immunity to one type of damage or effect will nullify damage from an attack of mixed types, whereas the PHB is quite clear that this is not the case. You're also continuing to equate "damage and effects" with "power" ("...nor any other ill effect from the power"). While related, they are not the same. Powers are composed of damage and effects. The various damage and effect types are where the keywords are applied. Finally, all interpretations of the Spined Devil's "Rain of Spines" have been incorrect. Let's start by reading the actual text (MM 66): [INDENT][B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Rain of Spines + Fire, Poison[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR="White"]The spined devil flings spines that ignite as they fly through the air. Ranged 10; +9 vs. Reflex; 1d10 damage [b]plus[/b] 1d6 fire damage, and the spined devil makes a secondary attack against the same target. [I]Secondary Attack:[/I] +9 vs. Fortitude; the target takes ongoing 5 poison damage and is slowed (save ends both).[/COLOR][/INDENT] The primary attack is not strictly fire damage. As with all immunities, if you're not immune to physical, you'll take the 1d10 physical damage. If you're immune to fire, you'll ignore the 1d6 fire damage, but you still take the 1d10 physical, and are subject to the poison attack. if you're immune to poison, you're immune to the entire secondary attack. [/QUOTE]

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