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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5722005" data-attributes="member: 42582">MrMyth, I didn't mean to run an elitist line, or to insist that only one view matters, or that anyone is or is not a "real D&D player", and if my post came across that way I apologise.What does frustrate me in these discussions, and what I did want to contradict, is the claim that 4e's MM had no story elements, or fewer story elements than the 1st ed AD&D or 3E Monster Manuals. I just don't accept this. In the past I've seen the 3E/4e challenge taken for Aboleths, Goblins, Hags, Githyanki, Kobolds and Spiders (and maybe others I can't remember) and the claim of "no or fewer story elements in 4e" has not been borne out.(In this very thread, even, it was said that the entry on the Bulette doesn't tell us what they eat, when in fact it tells us that they are landsharks, and heavily armoured predators!)I have had the impression that most of these claims come from non-4e players, but certainly KM doesn't fit that description, and obviously neither do you.I am also a bit frustrated that, from my point of view, WotC is taking 4e in a retrograde direction in various respects. The new format for powers, for example, includes useless story content prior to the power description, that either adds nothing to the power flavour text, or in some cases appears to contradict it. What is this adding to the game? I feel the same about the very wordy fiction accompanying the new monster format. There is at least one person (namely, me) who came to 4e in part because in its presentation of story elements like powers and monsters D&D had finally adopted the crisper style seen 20 and more years ago in games like Runequest, Rolemaster and Traveller.But I'm glad that at least some 4e players like this new approach - it's an ill wind that blows no one no good, as they say! I'm happy enough to suck it up - I might just grumble a bit about along the way.So anyway, apologies again. I really didn't intend to offend/upset as I obviously did.</blockquote>

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