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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5533221" data-attributes="member: 78116">Yeah, but these people are still unhappy because they didn't want a &quot;Shadow&quot; Wizard/Cleric/Paladin build. They wanted a genuine &quot;Necromancer&quot; and genuine &quot;Shadow&quot; classes. There were numerous threads on this over on Wizards, hundreds of pages long arguing about if HoS was actually adding shadow classes or not. So really, by throwing more options into the Wizard (which HotF will do more of I would bet) and Cleric, I don't think Wizards have pleased anyone. People who wanted genuine shadow classes - not just a &quot;Wizard&quot; build are upset. People who want support for other classes, who are not impressed at all at seeing two of the best supported classes get even more support are equally annoyed. Really it has been a very lose/lose book for Wizards in many ways. It became obvious to me last year wizards couldn't genuinely win with their approach to this book. The reaction to HoS has been much more negative than any other book than PHB3 (which was divisive because of psionics and the races in it). Negativity over PHB3 was quickly forgotten because of just how damn awesome Dark Sun was looking. I don't see that sort of help for placating people as &quot;Just a blip&quot; on the schedule for HoS.Going back to HotF, I honestly can't see how you put a runepriest/seeker into that book. I really can't. But I can anticipate one thing: More god damn wizard builds. Because we can't get enough of the same 4 classes! No siree.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5533221, member: 78116"] Yeah, but these people are still unhappy because they didn't want a "Shadow" Wizard/Cleric/Paladin build. They wanted a genuine "Necromancer" and genuine "Shadow" classes. There were numerous threads on this over on Wizards, hundreds of pages long arguing about if HoS was actually adding shadow classes or not. So really, by throwing more options into the Wizard (which HotF will do more of I would bet) and Cleric, I don't think Wizards have pleased anyone. People who wanted genuine shadow classes - not just a "Wizard" build are upset. People who want support for other classes, who are not impressed at all at seeing two of the best supported classes get even more support are equally annoyed. Really it has been a very lose/lose book for Wizards in many ways. It became obvious to me [i]last year[/i] wizards couldn't genuinely win with their approach to this book. The reaction to HoS has been much more negative than any other book than PHB3 (which was divisive because of psionics and the races in it). Negativity over PHB3 was quickly forgotten because of just how damn awesome Dark Sun was looking. I don't see that sort of help for placating people as "Just a blip" on the schedule for HoS. Going back to HotF, I honestly can't see how you put a runepriest/seeker into that book. I really can't. But I can anticipate one thing: [I]More god damn wizard builds[/I]. Because we can't get enough of the same 4 classes! No siree. [/QUOTE]

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