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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5861250" data-attributes="member: 42582">And just to add to this very true statement - the fact that there is no real-world theory of moral philosophy (either normative or descriptive) that even approximates to D&D alignment is a further reason for dropping it as a waste of everyone's time and mental energy.This is how I see 4e and pre-AD&D alignment. There is no pretence that the LG/G/U/E/CE schema in 4e, or the L/N/C schema in OD&D and B/X, is a universally applicable schema of moral classification. It is obviously related to a particular cosmological struggle understood to be inherent in the game setting (gods vs primordials in 4e, order vs chaos in the pre-AD&D game).It is the 9-aligment schema, with its pretense to universal applicability as a system of moral description and evaluation, twithout reference to any particular cosmological conflict, that causes endless alignment disputes about the alignments of Robin Hood, Batman, Abraham Lincoln etc. Whereas the question in fact shouldn't make any sense, given that none of these personages is located in the D&D cosmology.</blockquote>