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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5541385" data-attributes="member: 78116">I wouldn't put it past Wizards to be dumb enough to think that would be a viable answer. Most of the "Heroes of Shadow shows there is support for old classes stuff" comes entirely out of the fact it has powers wizards/clerics can take. That's not really a satisfying answer to me and I'm increasingly believing print products won't offer support for non-essential classes. So if it doesn't fall into something a knight/slayer/mage/thief/warpriest etc could take, I've got a distinct feeling there won't be support. Now if they support old classes solely through DDI and not in books, that could be an interesting situation to plant themselves in.Actually I have wrote two campaigns now, which don't have anything planar at all anywhere. From levels 1-30. Of course the epic tier gets really impossible for one of these games and I'm staring at a 90% "all my own work" workload with that. At the moment I'm seriously considering curtailing the campaign at level 19 or 20, because the amount of work will be murderous. At least my Dark Sun campaign will have a good selection of level 21+ antagonists to work with. Well, if I want a lot of elites and solos anyway (but better than nothing)...In any event, Threats to Nentir Vale isn't strictly heroic. It actually goes to paragon and the preview they showed was of a paragon monster (Wandering Tower). The wandering tower was pretty great at that, doubling my disappointment there might be no epic monsters in it.If this is their logic then it is seriously completely stupid logic. I may be more than skilled enough to do it all myself, but then the workload involved is really going to kill me in terms of time. Unfortunately skill =/ time, so regardless of my ability to actually do it the time I have becomes the limiting factor. I can run - every week almost - two campaigns side by side quite happily. I've been able to do this all the way up to epic as well. Once I hit epic it's like running into a brick wall: Suddenly all the options and choices (and potential reworkable adventures) go out the window. This massively increases the amount of work I have to do to make a viable epic tier campaign.To be 100% fair though, my next epic efforts are going to be nowhere near as painful as previously (Due to monster design being infinitely better). But in terms of being a huge time sink, epic is going to take just as much initial work anyway in building new monsters, traps and similar. All things that should be addressed in products like upcoming monster vaults, which Wizards has stupidly decided shouldn't have significant epic tier content in them anymore.I am looking forward to the adventures though, but now you've reminded me they might just throw out a two encounter delve and call it an epic tier adventure I don't think I'll get too optimistic yet...I see great room for all tiers in both of those product ideas and think they would be a great idea. This means Wizards will never do it. Instead we'll get threats from the shadowdarkfell gloomshroud, which will have more heroic tier vampires, liches and mummies than you've ever needed before!</blockquote>

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