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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5510523" data-attributes="member: 78116">While I may complain about my experiences with 4E at epic, let's face it 4E epic has nothing on how miserable and utterly nightmarish high level 3.x was. I still have horrible nightmares about the one epic campaign of 3rd I was dumb enough to run. If players know anything about how spellcasters work by epic levels, it's a complete nightmare to even make the barest semblance of an encounter challenging (without massive cheating). I also ran Savage Tide and my parties Wizard one shot demogorgon without even the barest hint of a fight. Just no way I could make that DC.Even at 4Es worst it was nowhere near that bad (except the infamous Blade Cascade/Eternal Trickster Ranger - quickly fixed as opposed to being an inherent part of the game).4E requires me to make a lot of monsters, but at least the rules for making monsters in 4E aren't written in pudding. So while 70% of my own stuff is ridiculously high, at least it worked and it didn't feel like me making all my own creatures to my PCs (they frequently couldn't tell if my monsters were from wizards or not).</blockquote>