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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5511004" data-attributes="member: 42582">What I find interesting about the above is that it suggests that most of the time, most GMs aren't taking this approach to running their games.Given how poor WotC's adventures are in any event, it might be worth their while trying to write rulebooks that support GMs in running player-and-PC-centred games from the get go, which would then make the transition to Epic (which would bring with it the purchase of Epic-oriented materials) easier.This is closer to what I would expect to be the case.But in combination with the comments about Epic's need for stories, it makes me wonder - who is scared of Epic? Players? Or GMs? Players, I find hard to believe - who wouldn't want to play a game in which the PCs invade the Abyss and kill Orcus? That's got to be at least as gratifying as invading the Caves of Chaos and killing a few dozen orcs.Is part of the issue GMs? That GMs don't want to run games that turn their campaign worlds into playgrounds for the players to trample over with their PCs? Or is it really true that most GMs don't know how to set up situations that are focused on the players and their PCs, as DEFCON1 suggets?I think this is one good example of a player who mightn't like Epic - except that, in D&D, even for many such players it would make sense that their wordly concerns are in some sense mirrors of divine or otherplanar situations (eg the craft guild is a reflection of Erathis; the thieves' guild, of Sehanine; the warrior's domain of Kord, etc). The number of D&D players who really eschew these sorts of supernatural aspects of the game I would assume is a distinct minority (though Barastrondo, from other posts of yours perhaps your players are in this minority).Besides tools and guidelines to help with this issue, others would include: concrete advice on correlating worldy events with otherworldly events, along the lines I sketched in the previous paragraph; advice on quickstarting epic play (to remove the need to start at 1st and work up to it); and building on that, more general advice on how to run a non-continous campaign, where the passage of time and level up are handled in a more abstract way, rather than by actually playing through all the encounters and accumulating the XPs.It's not as if there are no precedents to draw on in RPG design, and rules text writing, to help with these tasks, or as if WotC lacks the depth of design talent and experience to do them. (But maybe there really is overwhelming demand for still more heroic-tier feats and powers! Who knows?)</blockquote>

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