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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 5512696" data-attributes="member: 27160">Okay, I can certainly see that as a possible scenario.  But I can also see alternatives.  I have played at least one "affable rogue" in recent-ish history (tha character was a Bard, but he was definitely a "rogue" in the non-class sense!), and even though he was deeply invested in the "mundane" world as played, I can quite see making a conversion to be interested (as both character and player) in "epic" play.  Given an evil god meddling in what he holds dear, and a realisation that "these 'divine' and 'immortal' types are no better than us!" combined with rage that "this upstart thinks he can destroy what I have worked for, just because he has some jumped up label of "god"??" I can easily see such a character drawn into epic quests.  And, as a player, the thought of what an "affable, worldly rogue" might get up to when exposed to the planes beyond - now, that would be an adventure! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Leaving aside that pretty much every story ever written has some element of evolving past a personality flaw, it seems to me that every D&D character (specifically D&D, as opposed to all RPGs) has to be built with a motivation to adventure.  And I think that's all that is really needed to get into epic play - as long as the player is interested.Understood - but the painting of the Epic tier as only being 'bashing demons to save the world' is a failure of marketing, in my view, on WotC's part.  Especially when, as pemerton points out, they have products that show other possibilities to good effect.A good question, indeed, I think.  One of the problems one faces developing and testing a computer game is that it's much easier to test the early stages of the game than to do a truly realistic test (i.e. one run through from the start, not with some assumed start conditions part way through) on the later stages.  I think they may well be having this issue; a desire to test all the neat stuff at low level means they never get to epic level with characters developed from level 1.  If you start at level 20, how can you have a personal quest that has developed organically?  Plus, it makes it much more viable to build over-focussed 'OptiMax' characters if you don't have to actually play them for the first 20 levels...</blockquote>

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