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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5515226" data-attributes="member: 463">But that did involve a plan by Odin (AIR) to lure Druaga into fighting outside his home plane, by attacking his Great Fane, and then trap & destroy him - using Odin's Throne to locate his soul object before he could regenerate.  You may recall that earlier when the god-PCs Thrin & Mirv Sheelon attempted to assault Druaga's lair in the Nine Hells, things had gone very differently.  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devil.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":devil:" title="Devil    :devil:" data-shortname=":devil:" />Talking of which, that's a common theme in 'epic' plots, like Moorcock's second Chronicles of Corum where he battles the Fhoi Myore, or even Heinlein's Starship Troopers vs the Bugs -initial hubris leads to nemesis, but the protagonist has a chance to recover and eventually come back stronger than before.  Equivalent in 4e would probably be something like twinked out 25th level PCs thinking they can take out Orcus in the Abyss, only when they get to him it's not Monster Manual Orcus, it's <a href="http://eternitypublishing.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/article-orcus-revisited/" target="_blank">Upper_Krust Orcus</a>...  but the DM gives them a chance to survive (maybe with losses), regroup, and eventually come back with a way to finally defeat Old Goat Face.</blockquote>