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<blockquote data-quote="kaomera" data-source="post: 5516244" data-attributes="member: 38357">What you're describing is really awesome, and I'd be down with running a game like that at some point, but it's not really 4e. And the players I play 4e with mostly want to play 4e, including everything that comes along with it. I'm pretty sure at least some of the people I play 4e with play 4e as opposed to or to get away from games that involve a lot more responsibility (such as a god's responsibility, even if only selfishly, for it's worshipers...). I don't expect that the idea that there are these NPCs who can be targeted to get at the PCs would go over especially well.My issue is simply that epic play in 4e doesn't really seem to me to have an actual &quot;epic feel&quot;, as such. It's just bigger numbers and flashier special effects and now you get a third thing to write down next to your character's class and path. And I think I'd see more epic play if it did produce that epic feel, but it's just easier for the players to put the campaign aside and start over at level 1 than it is to take on the kind of play that would be more likely to actually produce that...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kaomera, post: 5516244, member: 38357"] What you're describing is really awesome, and I'd be down with running a game like that at some point, but it's not really 4e. And the players I play 4e with mostly want to play 4e, including everything that comes along with it. I'm pretty sure at least some of the people I play 4e with play 4e as opposed to or to get away from games that involve a lot more responsibility (such as a god's responsibility, even if only selfishly, for it's worshipers...). I don't expect that the idea that there are these NPCs who can be targeted to get at the PCs would go over especially well. My issue is simply that epic play in 4e doesn't really seem to me to have an actual "epic feel", as such. It's just bigger numbers and flashier special effects and now you get a third thing to write down next to your character's class and path. And I think I'd see more epic play if it did produce that epic feel, but it's just easier for the players to put the campaign aside and start over at level 1 than it is to take on the kind of play that would be more likely to actually produce that... [/QUOTE]

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