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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 5917336" data-attributes="member: 63508">This is why I hate low numbers in a d20 system. But for the most part, using your ability score is like rolling a 10 and doubling your ability modifier. The higher you get, the worse the drop.Now if they did +5 skill training like 4E and use 3/4E ability modifiers, then it is a +8 bonus. That is a 35% drop for a level 1. But rogues can take 10 and autosucceed.3E's max ranks on a class skill is +3 plus level. That is a 55% chance. Thus a 45% drop off bless you can take 10.This is why skill bonus must be at least +4. +5 is better. Just don't grant a level bonus.</blockquote>