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<blockquote data-quote="smuckenfart" data-source="post: 8947678" data-attributes="member: 7040256"><p>1. Broken means damaged and no longer working. It can mend <u>broken</u> objects PROVIDED it has but one <strong>break</strong>. Broken <strong>can</strong> mean into pieces, it can also mean damaged, such as a crack, and no longer working. It doesn't mean it IS absolutely broken into pieces. That broken must adherer to the condition in the conditional part of the sentence. <em>Broken</em> is the only word used in the spell description which can mean separated into pieces, but the authors stipulated that the type of broken must match that which is "a break", and.....</p><p></p><p>2. "A break" does NOT mean total separation. The only instance that is does is with an <em>idiom</em>, clean break, which has its own meaning independent of its individual words. It means "a total separation", it does not mean "a large break". Sorry mate, but you're wrong.</p><p>"Mending only affects an object that weighs 1 pound or less(again, must be small) and only fixes a single break(<strong>partial or complete</strong>)."</p><p><strong>Your words</strong>, not the author's, <strong>your perception</strong> of what "a break" means. You think that it could mean "a space" could be some artificial gap, even though it contradicts the vast majority of every other synonyms. We could go through each one and draw it, go out in the real world and see what each object looks like, and see if this "space" as you define it lines up with the rest.</p><p></p><p>3. The cumulation of all the definitions of the synonyms used for objects is overwhelmingly still attached to the source and coincide with the wording of the authors and applying the rules. It doesn't contradict anything until people define it as to mean a separation. Cherry picking is choosing the 1 percent out of the 99%, it is not choosing the category to which the object in question belongs!</p><p></p><p>4. Context is absolutely important when defining words, that's why the noun has a different meaning inferred for objects than it does with "a page break", you don't need to fish around in other contexts to find a relevant meaning for one that is <u>already defined</u>. I'm actually including every thing in that category as a means to prove that the root word in fact does not mean a total separation. A crack is similar to a fissure or a crevice, while those subtle differences change the meaning of the word, they are all breaks and match with each other. A rush or a dash in a particular direction, ie make a break for it, has nothing to do with a small gap or hole in an object. An interruption is NOT the same as a fissure or a crack, the synonyms listed for a break.</p><p></p><p>1. interruption, interval, gap, hiatus, lapse of time, lacuna, discontinuation, discontinuance, discontinuity, suspension, disruption, cutoff (not to be confused with <em>cut off</em>), stop, stoppage, cessation, caesura, surcease (jeez, there aren't many words I come across that I don't know but this lists a couple <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f606.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":LOL:" title="Laugh :LOL:" data-smilie="17"data-shortname=":LOL:" />)</p><p></p><p>2. gap, opening, space, hole, breach, chink, crack, fissure, cleft, rift, chasm, tear, split, slit, rent, rupture</p><p></p><p>You're going to tell me that these are comparable????? They're totally different and would not be used synonymously.</p><p>Look at those examples in #2. Which ones mean a total separation, and come at me again with the cherry picking argument. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f913.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":geek:" title="Geek :geek:" data-smilie="30"data-shortname=":geek:" /> What's the rational common denominator there, that there is a total separation, or that it means a partial separation? Open the window a gap is not wide open. A space in the traffic is a break in continuity, suited for the first definition and not as an object. Is it not? Which synonyms, meaning similar words to the defined words, are suitable for "traffic"? A space, which is it more similar to, a rent or rupture, or a suspension or disruption? Totally different context. An opening, a cleft/tear or a hiatus/interval? Put the words beside every word that they're comparable to and it's EASY to see what it means, although it may not agree with how you have come to understand it. Relevance is not cherry picking nor is it omission by obstinance, my friend. It's knowing the language, and I'll be happy to explain why one thing is relevant and the other is not. These posts are quite lengthy, we both try to keep it as terse as possible by not overexplaining ourselves. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60f.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":sneaky:" title="Sneaky :sneaky:" data-smilie="21"data-shortname=":sneaky:" /></p><p></p><p>5. Viewing "a break" as a percentage is <strong>science</strong>, and more precise than a human <strong>perspective</strong>. I'm being accurate, precise, irrespective of what I think is small or large. What you think is large or small doesn't change the fact of what is large or small, relative to the size of the object in question. The larger the object, the smaller that 1 inch is. The smaller the object, the larger that 1 inch is. That's just common sense!</p><p>This is the fundamental difference of beliefs, I think, that is the core of the argument. I believe the accuracy of language and science determines the relative size of a break, where others believe that the size of the break is determined by a human perspective. What do you think? In that regard, neither of us are wrong from our relative perspectives. I can't disagree, that an inch isn't large. A 1 inch crack on my windshield is small, but a 1 inch crack on the glass of my watch covers the entire face, and would be hideous. To me, relativity matters, as much as word choice matters.</p><p></p><p>Pierce your ear and put a 1 inch hole earring in it. It's HUGE! But in a storm giant, it's just a normal piercing. Relative! Am I wrong there?</p><p></p><p>I could see why you think they way you do, but I'm only ignoring the definitions not relevant to subject matter, because it can be easily taken out of context. The definition has been given and used in context and synonyms provided because that's categorically the way it is to be approached and used, and others might be related in meaning but not suitable. The definitions are parallel, but the examples are completely different ballparks.</p><p></p><p>I still say that people making certain arguments aren't accurately representing RAW.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="smuckenfart, post: 8947678, member: 7040256"] 1. Broken means damaged and no longer working. It can mend [U]broken[/U] objects PROVIDED it has but one [B]break[/B]. Broken [B]can[/B] mean into pieces, it can also mean damaged, such as a crack, and no longer working. It doesn't mean it IS absolutely broken into pieces. That broken must adherer to the condition in the conditional part of the sentence. [I]Broken[/I] is the only word used in the spell description which can mean separated into pieces, but the authors stipulated that the type of broken must match that which is "a break", and..... 2. "A break" does NOT mean total separation. The only instance that is does is with an [I]idiom[/I], clean break, which has its own meaning independent of its individual words. It means "a total separation", it does not mean "a large break". Sorry mate, but you're wrong. "Mending only affects an object that weighs 1 pound or less(again, must be small) and only fixes a single break([B]partial or complete[/B])." [B]Your words[/B], not the author's, [B]your perception[/B] of what "a break" means. You think that it could mean "a space" could be some artificial gap, even though it contradicts the vast majority of every other synonyms. We could go through each one and draw it, go out in the real world and see what each object looks like, and see if this "space" as you define it lines up with the rest. 3. The cumulation of all the definitions of the synonyms used for objects is overwhelmingly still attached to the source and coincide with the wording of the authors and applying the rules. It doesn't contradict anything until people define it as to mean a separation. Cherry picking is choosing the 1 percent out of the 99%, it is not choosing the category to which the object in question belongs! 4. Context is absolutely important when defining words, that's why the noun has a different meaning inferred for objects than it does with "a page break", you don't need to fish around in other contexts to find a relevant meaning for one that is [U]already defined[/U]. I'm actually including every thing in that category as a means to prove that the root word in fact does not mean a total separation. A crack is similar to a fissure or a crevice, while those subtle differences change the meaning of the word, they are all breaks and match with each other. A rush or a dash in a particular direction, ie make a break for it, has nothing to do with a small gap or hole in an object. An interruption is NOT the same as a fissure or a crack, the synonyms listed for a break. 1. interruption, interval, gap, hiatus, lapse of time, lacuna, discontinuation, discontinuance, discontinuity, suspension, disruption, cutoff (not to be confused with [I]cut off[/I]), stop, stoppage, cessation, caesura, surcease (jeez, there aren't many words I come across that I don't know but this lists a couple :LOL:) 2. gap, opening, space, hole, breach, chink, crack, fissure, cleft, rift, chasm, tear, split, slit, rent, rupture You're going to tell me that these are comparable????? They're totally different and would not be used synonymously. Look at those examples in #2. Which ones mean a total separation, and come at me again with the cherry picking argument. :geek: What's the rational common denominator there, that there is a total separation, or that it means a partial separation? Open the window a gap is not wide open. A space in the traffic is a break in continuity, suited for the first definition and not as an object. Is it not? Which synonyms, meaning similar words to the defined words, are suitable for "traffic"? A space, which is it more similar to, a rent or rupture, or a suspension or disruption? Totally different context. An opening, a cleft/tear or a hiatus/interval? Put the words beside every word that they're comparable to and it's EASY to see what it means, although it may not agree with how you have come to understand it. Relevance is not cherry picking nor is it omission by obstinance, my friend. It's knowing the language, and I'll be happy to explain why one thing is relevant and the other is not. These posts are quite lengthy, we both try to keep it as terse as possible by not overexplaining ourselves. :sneaky: 5. Viewing "a break" as a percentage is [B]science[/B], and more precise than a human [B]perspective[/B]. I'm being accurate, precise, irrespective of what I think is small or large. What you think is large or small doesn't change the fact of what is large or small, relative to the size of the object in question. The larger the object, the smaller that 1 inch is. The smaller the object, the larger that 1 inch is. That's just common sense! This is the fundamental difference of beliefs, I think, that is the core of the argument. I believe the accuracy of language and science determines the relative size of a break, where others believe that the size of the break is determined by a human perspective. What do you think? In that regard, neither of us are wrong from our relative perspectives. I can't disagree, that an inch isn't large. A 1 inch crack on my windshield is small, but a 1 inch crack on the glass of my watch covers the entire face, and would be hideous. To me, relativity matters, as much as word choice matters. Pierce your ear and put a 1 inch hole earring in it. It's HUGE! But in a storm giant, it's just a normal piercing. Relative! Am I wrong there? I could see why you think they way you do, but I'm only ignoring the definitions not relevant to subject matter, because it can be easily taken out of context. The definition has been given and used in context and synonyms provided because that's categorically the way it is to be approached and used, and others might be related in meaning but not suitable. The definitions are parallel, but the examples are completely different ballparks. I still say that people making certain arguments aren't accurately representing RAW. [/QUOTE]
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