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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 5657898" data-attributes="member: 1210">Correct. There are several examples of creatures in the game with a &quot;if you're already taking ongoing damage, instead increase it by x&quot; clause, or a &quot;If you're already taking ongoing damage, you also take a -x to saves against it&quot; clause, in their abilities. Stirges are not one of them and don't really need to be, imho.That said, I've used a higher level version of the stirge as a minion and gave it a &quot;if already taking ongoing increase by 2&quot; clause and it worked well.Oooh, interesting. And I don't know off hand if there's anything in the RAW to prevent the fighter from doing this. A quick look at the Rules Compendium doesn't show anything to prevent this, either. The fighter used some good tactics, I'd allow it, and it looks like the RAW do as well. EDIT: D'oh!! Actually, there's a huge catch on this, I'll explain in a sec.Whether or not you want to enter the zone is immaterial. If you're the wizard's enemy and you enter the zone, you take damage. If forced movement is putting you in the zone, you are still entering the zone. However, with forced movement, you get a save to fall prone instead of entering something like that. This, however, was not forced movement per se... and I just realized why you can't do this.The stirge has the fighter grabbed. That means the fighter's immobilized.The golem made an attack that did not include the knight as a target. Whether the golem could have directed that attack at anyone else is immaterial; the golem suffers a -2 penalty. I'm not sure off hand what else the knight gets to do to the golem, but most defenders get a free attack or something. If the pc in question had been a divine challenging paladin, the golem would have suffered radiant damage. Opportunity attacks are NOT exempt from marking or aura penalties and should not be treated as such.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 5657898, member: 1210"] Correct. There are several examples of creatures in the game with a "if you're already taking ongoing damage, instead increase it by x" clause, or a "If you're already taking ongoing damage, you also take a -x to saves against it" clause, in their abilities. Stirges are not one of them and don't really need to be, imho. That said, I've used a higher level version of the stirge as a minion and gave it a "if already taking ongoing increase by 2" clause and it worked well. Oooh, interesting. And I don't know off hand if there's anything in the RAW to prevent the fighter from doing this. A quick look at the Rules Compendium doesn't show anything to prevent this, either. The fighter used some good tactics, I'd allow it, and it looks like the RAW do as well. EDIT: D'oh!! Actually, there's a huge catch on this, I'll explain in a sec. Whether or not you want to enter the zone is immaterial. If you're the wizard's enemy and you enter the zone, you take damage. If forced movement is putting you in the zone, you are still entering the zone. However, with forced movement, you get a save to fall prone instead of entering something like that. This, however, was not forced movement per se... and I just realized why you can't do this. The stirge has the fighter grabbed. That means the fighter's immobilized. The golem made an attack that did not include the knight as a target. Whether the golem could have directed that attack at anyone else is immaterial; the golem suffers a -2 penalty. I'm not sure off hand what else the knight gets to do to the golem, but most defenders get a free attack or something. If the pc in question had been a divine challenging paladin, the golem would have suffered radiant damage. Opportunity attacks are NOT exempt from marking or aura penalties and should not be treated as such. [/QUOTE]

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