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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 9492696" data-attributes="member: 6779196">Not at all. I’ve arrived at this conclusion based on the evidence present in the books: all pre-2024 feats that aren’t reproduced in the 2024 PHB are allowed. The Fighting Initiate feat is reproduced in the 2024 PHB in a different form, with a new prerequisite. But Fighting Initiate has a different name than its 2024 counterparts, so technically, can be taken, according to the guidance on using legacy material (so can Mobile, by the way). If we don’t interpret the prerequisite on Fighting Style Feats as applying to Fighting Styles gained via Fighting Initiate, then that prerequisite is meaningless, because there is no reason to ever take a Fighting Style Feat over Fighting Initiate. It’s the exact same thing but more restrictive. I therefore must conclude that the intent is for the restriction to also apply to Fighting Initiate.You may have drawn a different conclusion from the same facts, but that doesn’t mean I started from my conclusion and worked backwards.I mean, I don’t think they intended for you to take Fighting Initiate at all any more; I think the new Fighting Style Feats were meant to supersede it. But, the way they phrased the guidelines on legacy content technically leave the possibility open to take Fighting Initiate. If you do, its original function kind of breaks down, since it doesn’t originally give you a Feat; it gives you a class feature that no longer works as it did when Fighting Initiate was written.I mean, I agree that it’s a result of incompatibility between the revised rules and the legacy rules. I just think the poor wording lies in their guidelines for using pre-2024 content, not in the 2024 Fighting Style Feats themselves.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 9492696, member: 6779196"] Not at all. I’ve arrived at this conclusion based on the evidence present in the books: all pre-2024 feats that aren’t reproduced in the 2024 PHB are allowed. The Fighting Initiate feat is reproduced in the 2024 PHB in a different form, with a new prerequisite. But Fighting Initiate has a different name than its 2024 counterparts, so technically, can be taken, according to the guidance on using legacy material (so can Mobile, by the way). If we don’t interpret the prerequisite on Fighting Style Feats as applying to Fighting Styles gained via Fighting Initiate, then that prerequisite is meaningless, because there is no reason to ever take a Fighting Style Feat over Fighting Initiate. It’s the exact same thing but more restrictive. I therefore must conclude that the intent is for the restriction to also apply to Fighting Initiate. You may have drawn a different conclusion from the same facts, but that doesn’t mean I started from my conclusion and worked backwards. I mean, I don’t think they intended for you to take Fighting Initiate [I]at all[/I] any more; I think the new Fighting Style Feats were meant to supersede it. But, the way they phrased the guidelines on legacy content technically leave the possibility open to take Fighting Initiate. If you do, its original function kind of breaks down, since it doesn’t originally give you a Feat; it gives you a class feature that no longer works as it did when Fighting Initiate was written. I mean, I agree that it’s a result of incompatibility between the revised rules and the legacy rules. I just think the poor wording lies in their guidelines for using pre-2024 content, not in the 2024 Fighting Style Feats themselves. [/QUOTE]

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