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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 9492714" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>I think you’re reading “intentional” as a far more specific intent than I meant by it. Like, I don’t think they wanted to get rid of Fighting Initiate, and re-wrote Fighting Styles to accomplish that end. I think they wanted access to Fighting Styles to be more restrictive, so they added a prerequisite to them in 2024, which had the effect of breaking the original functionality of Fighting Initiate, which I think they were fine with, since the Feat would otherwise be a back door around the greater level of restriction they wanted to place on Fighting Styles.</p><p></p><p>Well, custom backgrounds aren’t a thing in the 2024 PHB. But, yes, if your DM allows customizing 2024 backgrounds, there’s no reason to take a 2014 background.</p><p></p><p>I mean, we know they thought through adding categories to Feats, because they specifically stated that they did so, so that 2014 features that gave you Feats would not give background Feats, and 2024 Backgrounds wouldn’t grant 2014 Feats. You can see how this was developed over the course of the UA playtests if you look at how the wording of Feats and their prerequisites changed from UA to UA. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume the creation of Fighting Style as a Feat category and their prerequisites was part of this same process.</p><p></p><p>The restriction isn’t fictional, it’s written in the book. Fighting Style Feats have a prerequisite of a Fighting Style class feature. I think it’s a natural assumption that the designers intended that restriction to be there, since they wrote it that way. Given that they did so, the most intuitive assumption to me was that they did not intend for Fighting Initiate to allow players to circumvent that restriction. I’m certainly open to an interpretation that they didn’t think about Fighting Initiate at all. But in that case, I would say it is still not RAI for Fighting Initiate to be able to grant a fighting style without meeting the prerequisites for that style’s Feat. Otherwise they could simply have not placed that prerequisite on the Feats in the first place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 9492714, member: 6779196"] I think you’re reading “intentional” as a far more specific intent than I meant by it. Like, I don’t think they wanted to get rid of Fighting Initiate, and re-wrote Fighting Styles to accomplish that end. I think they wanted access to Fighting Styles to be more restrictive, so they added a prerequisite to them in 2024, which had the effect of breaking the original functionality of Fighting Initiate, which I think they were fine with, since the Feat would otherwise be a back door around the greater level of restriction they wanted to place on Fighting Styles. Well, custom backgrounds aren’t a thing in the 2024 PHB. But, yes, if your DM allows customizing 2024 backgrounds, there’s no reason to take a 2014 background. I mean, we know they thought through adding categories to Feats, because they specifically stated that they did so, so that 2014 features that gave you Feats would not give background Feats, and 2024 Backgrounds wouldn’t grant 2014 Feats. You can see how this was developed over the course of the UA playtests if you look at how the wording of Feats and their prerequisites changed from UA to UA. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume the creation of Fighting Style as a Feat category and their prerequisites was part of this same process. The restriction isn’t fictional, it’s written in the book. Fighting Style Feats have a prerequisite of a Fighting Style class feature. I think it’s a natural assumption that the designers intended that restriction to be there, since they wrote it that way. Given that they did so, the most intuitive assumption to me was that they did not intend for Fighting Initiate to allow players to circumvent that restriction. I’m certainly open to an interpretation that they didn’t think about Fighting Initiate at all. But in that case, I would say it is still not RAI for Fighting Initiate to be able to grant a fighting style without meeting the prerequisites for that style’s Feat. Otherwise they could simply have not placed that prerequisite on the Feats in the first place. [/QUOTE]
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