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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6821058" data-attributes="member: 4937">In order to rebuke undead, they have to be within 60'.&nbsp;&nbsp; After they have been rebuked and commanded, the rules say that you can exercise mental control over them.&nbsp;&nbsp; However, the rules do not appear to explicitly specify a distance.&nbsp; First, is there an official clarification or errata regarding the range of the mental control?&nbsp; Must the undead remain in 60' in order to be commanded?&nbsp; If they leave this command range, do they become uncontrolled again?Not having a range at all seems like it is prone to abuse and cheese, as giving orders at any distance allows undead to act functionally like missiles and attack targets that are miles away from the PC's positions.&nbsp; You could also use them like command detonated mines, and order them into action from miles away.&nbsp;&nbsp; That at the least doesn't make for interesting gameplay.Additionally, rebuking undead and spells like 'control undead' don't really specify if they are charms or compulsions.&nbsp; That is all well and good if dealing with mindless undead, but what about something like a ghoul?&nbsp; How much initiative can intelligent undead operating under mental control be expected to take?&nbsp; How intelligently can they be expected to carry out the PC's orders?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6821058, member: 4937"] In order to rebuke undead, they have to be within 60'. After they have been rebuked and commanded, the rules say that you can exercise mental control over them. However, the rules do not appear to explicitly specify a distance. First, is there an official clarification or errata regarding the range of the mental control? Must the undead remain in 60' in order to be commanded? If they leave this command range, do they become uncontrolled again? Not having a range at all seems like it is prone to abuse and cheese, as giving orders at any distance allows undead to act functionally like missiles and attack targets that are miles away from the PC's positions. You could also use them like command detonated mines, and order them into action from miles away. That at the least doesn't make for interesting gameplay. Additionally, rebuking undead and spells like 'control undead' don't really specify if they are charms or compulsions. That is all well and good if dealing with mindless undead, but what about something like a ghoul? How much initiative can intelligent undead operating under mental control be expected to take? How intelligently can they be expected to carry out the PC's orders? [/QUOTE]

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