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<blockquote data-quote="Grogg of the North" data-source="post: 6821284" data-attributes="member: 6682960">Rebuking Undead and Controlling them is a little gray so you and your DM are going to have to work on this collaboratively.&nbsp; I'll do my best to help out, though.&nbsp; Command and Control Undead are not charm/compulsions since those are part of the enchantment school and mind affecting.&nbsp; Undead are immune to mind affecting abilities.&nbsp; I've seen it done where once you commanded an undead through rebuking, it's yours forever.&nbsp; And while this may seem cheesy I don't think it's too bad.&nbsp; Consider the requirement for commanding an undead through rebuking.&nbsp; You'd basically have to destroy it if you were turning which means you have twice as many levels as it does HD.&nbsp; At 20th level that means you can control a greater shadow, a CR 8 monster.&nbsp; If you can control it chances are it's much weaker than you and it won't be much use to you as you level up.&nbsp; You'd probably run into something like this:&quot;I send my commanded ghoul against the hydra!&quot;&quot;The hydra's many jaws tear it to pieces as it approaches.&quot;&nbsp; As for the range of mental control, I would treat it like dominate person.&nbsp; Once you've established control the range you can exercise it is unlimited.&nbsp; I would also include the caveats that self destructive orders are not carried out and anything against its nature results in a new saving throw (rebuke check?).&nbsp; I hope this helps!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grogg of the North, post: 6821284, member: 6682960"] Rebuking Undead and Controlling them is a little gray so you and your DM are going to have to work on this collaboratively. I'll do my best to help out, though. Command and Control Undead are not charm/compulsions since those are part of the enchantment school and mind affecting. Undead are immune to mind affecting abilities. I've seen it done where once you commanded an undead through rebuking, it's yours forever. And while this may seem cheesy I don't think it's too bad. Consider the requirement for commanding an undead through rebuking. You'd basically have to destroy it if you were turning which means you have twice as many levels as it does HD. At 20th level that means you can control a greater shadow, a CR 8 monster. If you can control it chances are it's much weaker than you and it won't be much use to you as you level up. You'd probably run into something like this: "I send my commanded ghoul against the hydra!" "The hydra's many jaws tear it to pieces as it approaches." As for the range of mental control, I would treat it like dominate person. Once you've established control the range you can exercise it is unlimited. I would also include the caveats that self destructive orders are not carried out and anything against its nature results in a new saving throw (rebuke check?). I hope this helps! [/QUOTE]

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