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Message: <blockquote data-quote="small pumpkin man" data-source="post: 4124694" data-attributes="member: 57910"><p>When people complain about how it's not actually "sleep", because it very rarely actually puts people to sleep, that's fine, that's unfortunately accurate, but area affect movement denial attack with no save and no attack roll? That's good, that's really good. Again, situational, and no where near as good as earlier editions area effect save or die, but "not as good as something completely broken" doesn't make it useless.</p></blockquote><p></p>