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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2087212" data-attributes="member: 29014"><p>I think CR 33 to 34 is just right, as you probably guessed from the fact that my stab at Al on page 4 has that CR. I think the dragon sleeping in the mountain wasn't meant to become a fight by its creator, nor does there need to be a dragon who set up Vil (I rather like Mouse's backstory for Vil as having been corrupted by the bloodtainted carnage). 33-34 for Al is high enough that he is super-powerful while still killable by a mid-20s party if they have someone who, perhaps, goes on a quest to find Wyrmdeath and then on another to reforge it to become an epic weapon. And it would still be a really spectacular fight. I'm certainly open to your statting Al up to CR 33-34 through age advancement if you have the time, but it could take a long time, so you may want to look at my Dragon Ascendant version (which is just white, rather than silver/white) as a place to start.</p><p></p><p>Part of this wariness towards CR 41 comes from my personal bias in testing the epic system in my personal campaigns and watching it break apart by level 40 (basically, by level 40, a well-built spellcaster automatically wins unless the opponent has unbeatable SR or incredible touch AC combined with Evasion and Mettle, in which case she automatically loses; if they are both well-built spellcasters, whoever wins initiative wins. For instance, I created a level 40 lich that could do multithousands of damage every round as long as her Caster Level of 48 as enough to penetrate SR and another guy who could cast 10 spells per round. For melee, there's nothing quite as crazy, although I had a paladin whose Smite attacks each did 560 bonus damage [in addition to normal damage]), so I like to get things done before the PCs hit 30 if possible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 2087212, member: 29014"] I think CR 33 to 34 is just right, as you probably guessed from the fact that my stab at Al on page 4 has that CR. I think the dragon sleeping in the mountain wasn't meant to become a fight by its creator, nor does there need to be a dragon who set up Vil (I rather like Mouse's backstory for Vil as having been corrupted by the bloodtainted carnage). 33-34 for Al is high enough that he is super-powerful while still killable by a mid-20s party if they have someone who, perhaps, goes on a quest to find Wyrmdeath and then on another to reforge it to become an epic weapon. And it would still be a really spectacular fight. I'm certainly open to your statting Al up to CR 33-34 through age advancement if you have the time, but it could take a long time, so you may want to look at my Dragon Ascendant version (which is just white, rather than silver/white) as a place to start. Part of this wariness towards CR 41 comes from my personal bias in testing the epic system in my personal campaigns and watching it break apart by level 40 (basically, by level 40, a well-built spellcaster automatically wins unless the opponent has unbeatable SR or incredible touch AC combined with Evasion and Mettle, in which case she automatically loses; if they are both well-built spellcasters, whoever wins initiative wins. For instance, I created a level 40 lich that could do multithousands of damage every round as long as her Caster Level of 48 as enough to penetrate SR and another guy who could cast 10 spells per round. For melee, there's nothing quite as crazy, although I had a paladin whose Smite attacks each did 560 bonus damage [in addition to normal damage]), so I like to get things done before the PCs hit 30 if possible. [/QUOTE]
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