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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 6334687" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p>I agree with your initial ruling and probably would have ruled the same way.</p><p></p><p>However this thread brings up a great point. If you're technically allowed to use a sword while "restrained" in a web, then surely you could cast a spell?</p><p></p><p>To me, the issue becomes one of another perspective: if "restrained" the condition doesn't stop you from casting spells with movement, what does? What is more restrained than "restrained?" Surely manacles "restrain" someone, right? (As others have said.)</p><p></p><p>If you need something between restrained and unconscious, looking at the wording of manacles I see it uses the word "bind." Maybe that's what we're talking about - the difference between "restrained" and "bound?" But I am also sure that we don't need a huge long list of conditions to remember. And when I first read "restrained" I would have considered it the same as being "bound," and we don't need different conditions that are (or nearly are) synonyms, either.</p><p></p><p><s>Personally, reading the description of the spell and the definition of "restrained" again, I am back to the original ruling. There's nothing in the spell's description that says you can still attack; there's nothing in the definition of restrained that says you can, either. The only way to escape the web is to make a Dex or Str saving throw, and you get disadvantage on the Dex one. That's all it says. So to me, that means you can't do anything other than try to escape through sheer strength or somehow wiggling out.</s></p><p></p><p>Of course, there is enough width in the language to allow for another interpretation as well, and I see that. Really both points are valid, and it comes down to DM call and what makes sense at the time (the unconscious cleric being "more stuck" also makes sense and could be a good way to backtrack if you needed to). But I would still go with the initial call and stick by it.</p><p></p><p>Edit: Changed my mind upon further reading; see post below.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 6334687, member: 9789"] I agree with your initial ruling and probably would have ruled the same way. However this thread brings up a great point. If you're technically allowed to use a sword while "restrained" in a web, then surely you could cast a spell? To me, the issue becomes one of another perspective: if "restrained" the condition doesn't stop you from casting spells with movement, what does? What is more restrained than "restrained?" Surely manacles "restrain" someone, right? (As others have said.) If you need something between restrained and unconscious, looking at the wording of manacles I see it uses the word "bind." Maybe that's what we're talking about - the difference between "restrained" and "bound?" But I am also sure that we don't need a huge long list of conditions to remember. And when I first read "restrained" I would have considered it the same as being "bound," and we don't need different conditions that are (or nearly are) synonyms, either. [s]Personally, reading the description of the spell and the definition of "restrained" again, I am back to the original ruling. There's nothing in the spell's description that says you can still attack; there's nothing in the definition of restrained that says you can, either. The only way to escape the web is to make a Dex or Str saving throw, and you get disadvantage on the Dex one. That's all it says. So to me, that means you can't do anything other than try to escape through sheer strength or somehow wiggling out.[/s] Of course, there is enough width in the language to allow for another interpretation as well, and I see that. Really both points are valid, and it comes down to DM call and what makes sense at the time (the unconscious cleric being "more stuck" also makes sense and could be a good way to backtrack if you needed to). But I would still go with the initial call and stick by it. Edit: Changed my mind upon further reading; see post below. [/QUOTE]
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